Situation in Cuba volleyball and NT

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Nagor 1445
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2011-04-28 • 21036 views • 162 replies

Ok people, listen. Our friend, RavenExtasis send me message with news from Cuba, and he asked me about discussion there. So:

well i have to tell you something and listen be carefully, you are the first person who i speak about this, the last two year has been a disaster for cuba volleyball, the president of the cuba federation was fired for try to convence the authoritys for the boys can play in other leagues like italy or brasil. he demand the separation of the team whit leal , thats mean he wan´t play no more for the cuba nt for the cruel treatment for him and his partners like leal. Hierrzuelo have a injury in the wrist and he have a depresion because simon his best friend in the team left the NT and he dont training since a month and samuel send him for cuba team b like swiderski in poland . this my friend are information thar only a few people in cuba and peolple who have contact like me know. i want to know your opinion and if you can open a discussion because you hace more power in this page than me. all this is true. you can trust in my. well i been waiting your anwswer. and sorry my english its basic in this moment. 

It is very sad. Someone tried to make cuban volleyball better, but he was fired... I dream about freedom for cuban players, I want to see them in best leagues. It will be very good for Cuba NT, young players in Europer or Brasil would get a lot of experience, and they would use it in NT. But we can see, cuban authorities don't want to let players go...

Moreover, I dont know why Simon left the NT and was replaced to "B" team...
And what is your opinion about it?

#YoandyLealHidalgo #RobertlandySimonAties #Cuba #MichaelSanchezBozhuleva #WilfredoLeon

Situation in Cuba volleyball and NT
RevanExtasis 746 11
12 years ago
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Nagor in the begining of the text is "the last two weeks " and not "the last two years" .

and simon is not in the cuba b he wants his retirement of the National Team forever. the reason of his departure are in this moments unknow. but the problem its serious, only Leon and Hernandez are the active members of the team and the others dont have expirience. they whit cepeda and bell stay in the team of 2010 season the rest of the team are youngers.
NightFox 1457 14
12 years ago
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lol that's so unfair for the cubans ... the politics can't understand what is the sport !
RevanExtasis 746 11
12 years ago
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thanks for you support nightfox this was suposed to be the year of the cuban team to show the world our new volleyball but in the last 2 wekkends was a nightmare for him, but the ofically list its not ready yet so i have hope to simon reconsidered and his back with leal.
NagorAuthor 1445 14
12 years ago
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Yeah, I see, problem is serious... Maybe cuban players make some protestation against their repression? Or maybe they prepare some escape from island? It is sad, especially now, when Cuba can get all what they want, cause they are very strong team, 2nd place on World Championship...

I hope that all will have good end.
saku 1032 9
12 years ago
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now escape is very possible, you right Nagor
12 years ago
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For me Cuba is the ultimate volleyball nation. This is pretty messed up news!
Players need to get the freedom to improve them selfs which means that they should definitely play in the higher leagues like the Italian or the Brazilian.. Does anyone know WHY Them Cuban players are not allowed to play beyond the borders?
RevanExtasis 746 11
12 years ago
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i dont think so beacuase if they escape its more time to wait to get the right autorization for play in a foreign league. SImon has to get back he dont are santioned yet, because a think the autorities want his back, whit him and leal the dream of london its more than a dream is almost a reality. cuba have a strong team whit this 2 guys and the rest of boys. but we are to calm down. Raul DIago the president was fired because he try to convence the leaders to release the boys for plays in other leagues and get experience.

dyingflutsman the cuban gonverment decides who plays out and who no plays, they have a policy "be a professional sportman is about money and not real sport" is for that old vision that the cuban boys are away of this super lague like italy,rusia or brasil. if they want play in one of this they have to request his total retirement for his rest of their live of the National team and wain 2 years to compete in these league you understand.?? that is a fu...k of policy was implant by dictators but i hope soon this change.
Kk15 1301 11
12 years ago
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It's really sad reading similar news.
If I think that people like Juantorena and many others (like Poey and Portuondo that played in Roma..) will never be in World Championship, or Olympics...
Cuba as a lot of great players around the world, and most of them are really apreciate, and they often have an important position in their team.
And if nobody will allowed the great players that still leave in Cuba to play where they prefer, I'm afraid they will try to escape like many others before.
I can't see how this can help Cuba volleyball. They are lucky that they always have new incredible youngs like Leon that allowed them to have a very competitive NT.

Joel2718 426 7
12 years ago
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oh man Cuba without Simon : / that is horrible,
NXT 241 3
12 years ago
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Ohh come on... It's just month for WL to begin and I was SOOO excited to see Simon, Leal and rest of Cuba team again... And now you bring this :| Hope it won't happen
Joel2718 426 7
12 years ago
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Oli they don't actually have the choice to leave, or they would have left already. For them to somehow escape to Russia or Italy means they will never be allowed to see their family again. Is it really worth it?
HeeelMooi 220 4
12 years ago
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I heard that when cuban players were allowed to play abroad for a brief while they had to send 95% of their salaries back to cuba to the government... that is communism obviously. I remember when half the NT escape with their pasports from a tournament in Belgium (amongst them were Dennis, Gato, Marshal and the Harnandez cousins).

I don't think Cuba will take back the players when the results fall.. they have never in the past. When Dennis and the rest left they were left with a crappy team (at the time) and they didn't seem to care. They just keep training their talents and the funny thing is that the succeed in creating really succesful teams everytime and then they all leave again.
qsek 831 10
12 years ago
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Castro should be shot... for me it's slavery... man, we leave in XXI st century!!!
RevanExtasis 746 11
12 years ago
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Heelmoi this is true the cubans play in the season 1999-2000 in italy and they send to cuba the 95% of his money. In the competitions the cuban are in observation all time by the state security in case they want leave ilegaly the team.But this team its diferente they want compete in london and do it well but i dont know how simon is a member of the Big three for me hi, Leon and hierrezuelo are the best with leal in second plane and Hernandez, but without him our chances reduces to the mimimum.THe monday the cuban federation give the final list of the 15 players and the may 15th they go to bulgaria to play a friendly match. But anyways if simon and leal dont go this year the world league would be simply bored. Only brasil and russia have strong teams. ?
raylight 3006 15
12 years ago
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and Bulgaria
raylight 3006 15
12 years ago
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Revan, do you know the real height of spiking of Leon? He was spiking over Bulgarian block all the time in the last game
NightFox 1457 14
12 years ago
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What will happen if Simon not play for the NT - go abroad ?
RevanExtasis 746 11
12 years ago
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if simon finaly decide dont play aymore he has to wait two years. this is a rule invented by the fivb when this 2 years passed he can play in other country in a club, but i still thinking he has to come back. the idea was broke the team when finish they olympics cicle its more normal, but now itswrong situation for the team. Many people in cuba says that they wanna more freddom and lyberty but always talk and never doing nothing its normal. anyways this team late or soon will be broke because its much talent only for play in the NT and recive a small part in money. do you know that the individual awards when win cuban players de goverment stay with the 90% and the player only with 10% ? well if he take the desitiion to leave i will support it its better the fredoom .

Leon the last year grow up a litle he has now 2.03cm with only 17 years old. XD the spike i dont know i only know that the cuban record in spike is for Marshal 3.85cm .
Berny 606 6
12 years ago
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qsek has right. Only this will help all Cuba and his f.cking authoritarianism. After than Cuba will be free and open for many possibilities. Fight with this should be not only Cubans but all of the world!!!! Pray for this sportsmen
12 years ago
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in my opinion, i think that cuban federation should allow their players play in the others leagues.. they will evolute more and become bes players so that in the summer they can organize stages for the international competitions..
that's what every federations do, i think that cuban should do it too
Kk15 1301 11
12 years ago
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few thoughts...
yesterday I saw again the final of men's worchampionship 2010, I realized I didn't noticed Leon played as opposite in the 3rd set! he was just AMAZING (in general, not just the 3rd set!), our commentator wanted him to win the award as best spiker (and murilo as best player), and always kept saying it was amazing his attack tecnique, it was great seeing him hit the ball and play with no fear.

I remember Poey and Portuondo history, they had to wait two years to play again in Italy, it was such a pity... I heard they worked as building worker or something like this to earn money to live.
And Juantorena said he saw Cuba playing in Verona in semptember, and he didn't want Simon to speak with him because he thought Simon will have problem speaking with an exiliated (but Simon didn't care=)
RevanExtasis 746 11
12 years ago
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In the central page of the fivb we can see that simon is no more captain of cuba national team and his change for leon i dont know if this is true besides the 4rt first player doesnt have numbers assigned. simon remains in the list but he dont have the "C" of captain http://www.fivb.org/EN/volleyball/competitions/WorldLeague/2011/Team_Roster_L.asp?Tourn=WL2011&Team=CUB
Kk15 1301 11
12 years ago
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he is phenomenal, but I think it's a wird choice... why not the setter?

RevanExtasis 746 11
12 years ago
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Hierrezuelo its almost out of the team. He want leave the team to and i think samuels after him think in leon but the oficial list whit the 15 players still unknow, but all in cuban knows that the mission "get back Simon" fail and the team its almost broken I personally think some cubans will leave the team when they play in italy its more easy and only they wait 2 years in all situation.
NightFox 1457 14
12 years ago
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Leon is not ready to be a captain - this is very fullish decision ...
raylight 3006 15
12 years ago
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Leon is natural born leader
NightFox 1457 14
12 years ago
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but not at this age ...
LoveVoley 3 1
12 years ago
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Question....if Simon is not in Cuban Team why is his name in the FIVB players list?
RevanExtasis 746 11
12 years ago
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he was in the pre-list the new list was be corrected soon. but they want to keep this in the most secret as will possible, and a friend tell me "this year the cuban tv dont will trasmiting the game of the cuban in the world league. They want to keep his fail in secret, Simon was and he is a Legend in CUba whit only 23 years he is already the best Midle-blocker in the world and if he is not the best, well is the second. without simon our chances will be minimun. Keibel Gutierrez our starting libero its out of the new picture of the team, and will be replaced by other young boy. Leon born a leader. he its not normal. i think he has ready for this hard task. whit 18 years in this year he his one of the man will be decide our future.
ezet 69 4
12 years ago
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No point in watchin' Cuba if simon aint there ? hope thats not true!

btw, look at the cuban team [email protected], simon is not there. what the hell...
NightFox 1457 14
12 years ago
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Tell me one reason to accept that Leon is ready for the "C" ?
LoveVoley 3 1
12 years ago
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What is the real problem with Robertlandy Simon and Leal?? the cuban federaction have to give them everything what they want because they are very necesary players in the cuban team. If Cuba want to win in futures volleyball competicions then the federaction have to do everything to take back this players.
Cuban team need Simon and Leal. I think they have to talk with this two player!! maybe there is any chance that they return to cuban team.
RevanExtasis 746 11
12 years ago
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The president of the cuban Federation of Volleyball was in the last 5 years until now the ex-setter Raul Diago he was captain once time of cuba well the problem was that he are the agent bussines of Simon and he has great plains for him in first step, he is already try to find a Club for simon and open the possibilities for cuban players plays in the NT and in a Club and get more experience. But the people of the goverments and the other leaders thinks always that a professional sportsman when go to the Nt always play for money and dont take serious his role in the Nt and play much better in club and they decided fired DIag, thats is one of the reason the next step was terminate the Internet service to Simon this they can do it because they keep controled all and well simon decided by his own left the team forever and leal , leal was suspended a 3 months ago because they almost fight with samuel, they always have a discussion because samuels dont like him. and thats my friend is the history. NightFOx i know that is soon to give the Captain role to leon but in cuba you dont have a choice we never will be a team strong like brasil or rusia but you and me know that cuba have in the world the best players of volleyball Marshall,Dennis,Juantorena, Portuondo , Poey, Oreol Camejo , Rolando jurquin Despaigne, Simon and Leon all the players of cuba for me represent the best in the volleyball world its a shame that this guys never will play for cuba again ?
Berny 606 6
12 years ago
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Revan is not a shame. Its because of f.cking system. As i sad shot Castro and Cuba will be free. This is for crying omg!!! Imagine that: Marshall, Juantorena, Poey, Camejo, Simon, Leon, Huirezello, Hernandez. Oh my god, what a dream SQUAD. They could be break everything!
RevanExtasis 746 11
12 years ago
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well i want to give thanks for all suport and all the coments in this page all are fans of volleyball but not all are fans of cuba so i want to give thanks realy for the first and the last word of all you guys and i hope this world league stil clean and confrotabe like the others its a shmae brasil will take a gold again but i still hope in my crew. thanks guys whit this i say "thanks" 4 times
HeeelMooi 220 4
12 years ago
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Berny: you're the one that said Castro should be shot on account of slavery right? Uhmm shooting him is assassination, which is arguably worse than slavery.

Somewhere you have to admire Cuba for not being tempted by getting huge results in volleyball and just sticking to their values (however crap they may be).

Simon is the best middle blocker in the world.

Aww that's so sad that Poey and Potuondo had to work in construction.. perhaps that's where they got their huge physiques though.
Kk15 1301 11
12 years ago
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"i still hope in my crew"

Don't waste your time, they will never beat Italy!

(of course I'm kidding eheheh! Unfortunally for us I think Cuba will still be really hard to beat=)
NightFox 1457 14
12 years ago
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It's not the cuban federation - it's the cuban government, because the federation can do absolutely nothing when the government of Cuba say something. That's the communism if you don't know what is it read in google, but too many countries past this regime and almost all of them get rid of it ... unfortunately Cuba is not one of them.
HeeelMooi 220 4
12 years ago
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Really? Then what is the difference between Marxism and Communism?
HeeelMooi 220 4
12 years ago
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And no peaking on google
RevanExtasis 746 11
12 years ago
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come on the important is that my country and the goverment is a shit, poor and shit, the ventilation system was broken in the last year that was the reason of the close of Ciudad Deportiva Hall the home of my team tehy not have money for nothing only the hope for still playing volleyball .

This notice come out today in a jornal of my country and i think its official

The International Volleyball Federation (FIVB) has published today the list of the 19 Cuban volleyball players may participate in the XXII World League, which opens on 27 May come in several cities on the planet.

A priori, the main novelties are the promotion of Cuban Wilfredo León estelarísimo the role of captain, with only 17 years instead of the central attacker Robertlandy Simon, as well as the absence from the roster of Joandy Leal corner striker, who was ranked as holder during the last two seasons the team.

According to sources in the National Volleyball Leal downward due to difficulties in the teaching aspect, which is an exclusionary criterion in the Cuban sports system.

Another is the striking absence of Mesa Isbel, a young main attacker is injured for several weeks. The remaining two deletions in this court are final and Samy Bisset Yordan Lazaro Gomez.

The press release accompanying the payroll FIVB highlighted as key players of the cast, along with Leon, the pin Yoandri Diaz, Fernando Hernández opposite attacker, the auxiliary Rolando Cepeda, Osmani Camejo central and Gutiérrez Keibir libero.

The mention of Yoandri Diaz surely do first, after learning that the owner Raidel Hierrezuelo of discomfort in one of his wrists and is unknown to date.

The team will be led again by Orlando Samuels, aided by Idalberto Valdés and Nicolas Vives.

Last season, the selection tricolor finished fourth in the league and second in the World Championships in Italy.

This time appears located in Group D with Italy, France and South Korea
12 years ago
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Why don't they immigrate to another country?! some the greatest cuban players of all time played outside cuba. So why don't move there... I mean, Leonell?? ''And he still is a genius!'' It's horrible to hear how cruel that policy is. Isn't there someone or a federation that could do some for them players..!
raylight 3006 15
12 years ago
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Because it is not easy to get away from socialist country. They shoot the ones, who run, at least in Eastern Europe and including in Bulgaria was like that. If they didn't, no one would stay in such poverty
RevanExtasis 746 11
12 years ago
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its official go to fivb website they have leon has a big notice whit a old pic of him and says "Leon one of the most young captain in the histroy of the world league". Its sad simon remain in the list but i know as all of you that in the final list of 14 players for cuba he will be out.
NightFox 1457 14
12 years ago
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I hope that this is the right choice, even If I know that's wrong ...
Kk15 1301 11
12 years ago
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http://dal15al25.gazzetta.it/post/24531096/simon-degradato-leal-escluso-dalla-nazionale-cubana

I'm glad in Italy someone speak about Cuba situation.
This journalist wrote that the fact Simon is not K anymore and Leal is out of the 20th it's probably/pheraps due to the fact they had not liked contacts with italian clubs. And Cuba wants to avoid someone to escape, also considering that they will play 4 matches in Italy, so the possibility actually exist.
Seemed also that the Cuban federation is pressing Juantorena to come back (If he would, I'll lose the italian passport I think)
RevanExtasis 746 11
12 years ago
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i think this is more for force or make a request to Juantorena for come back to play to the national team, Juantorena was suspended in 2006 by ilegal consume of cocain or something about drugs in the sports and they come on to the light in 2009 but he married wiht a italian and they leave the island legally. i dont now the plans of the cuban federation i only want to see play my team soon. I want to knoe the channell for watch the friendly game of cuba and bulgaria before the world league if exist this possibility.
Kk15 1301 11
12 years ago
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Juantorena was suspended for use of substances?? Really?? I wondered about his period of inactivity but I didn't know that...
NightFox 1457 14
12 years ago
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He will never come back in Cuba - that's sure ... and I think that he wasn't suspended because drugs, I think it was some kind of illegal substances (doping).Mean while he was training with Trentino and Trentino had to "buy" his licence from the cuban federation to play again. I remember that they bought 2 buses and some other stuff for Cuba.
Zyta 1332 11
12 years ago
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2 buses? O_o bloody hell... I remember, Trento knew that Winiarski probably won't play on his high level soon, they didn't even know when he will recover, but they knew he has no health to stand another hard season in Serie A, that's why they let him go back to Poland to Skra and break valid contract with them, he had injury in June and signed contract with Skra in July, Mercato was soon closed, no more really good receivers free, so they had to do something fast to let Osmany play and that was risky, because he trained two years without "Feeling" court, without matches, no one knows how he will play, that's why they signed contract with Herpe, to make sure someone will keep reception if Osmany wouldn't manage the season.

Besides Juantorena said he will back to NT only if other players from NT will be able to go abroad to play in other leagues, if not, he will refuse, because this is unfair that he can play in Serie A and they have to stay on island.

And about doping no one except him and few other exactly know is it true, because CEV or FIVB never said what substance exactly he tried. And he's still saying it was unfair and he was innocent.
RevanExtasis 746 11
12 years ago
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i have some news and i apreciate for the poles here translate the last paragrah. http://www.zw.com.pl/artykul/1,594997.html i think they talk about leal and assign a contract with the PGE Belchatow a idont know much can zyta or anyone make a translation? thanks.
NagorAuthor 1445 14
12 years ago
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Ohmm, In the end of this article is something about Leal, but it means something like this:

And who knows, maybe soon we will see in Belchatow a star from Cuba. Joandry Leal fits to Skra Belchatow now.

But I think that this is only writers idea and whats more, Skra doesn't need offensive reciver.
NXT 241 3
12 years ago
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Yeah it's as Nagor said I think - just an idea. But you can't even imagine how much I would like this idea to happen :]
RevanExtasis 746 11
12 years ago
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but i dont know the journalist mentioned the name of leal, why him ?? leon its good to and cuba has other player around the world, i dont know gentleman but i think they mentioned leal for a good reason, anyway we have to wait for the conlusion of this history.
Overlook 280 5
12 years ago
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Hm...I can't imagine this players in team like Skra, really, maybe my imagination is to small for that? Of course I don't mean they aren't good enough, because they're great players. I'm mean their mentality doesn't belong to the vision of this team for me. If one of them played in polish league, I would see them in team like Resovia. I even read some rumors about Leal in Resovia, but if we'll take every information about transfers in our media seriously, polish fans could be very very happy;-)
RevanExtasis 746 11
12 years ago
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Well Guys a i have notices from the island and its oficial now Simon dont play anymore fo cuba i friend told me its seems he and simon go to the theater for watch a movie and them he confirme this notice. haas been 4 years whit simon in the Nt he start whit 18 years old and well finish his carrer in the nt whit only 23 years old he need two years for play in clubs s in the 2013 more or less he can be play in some team. its all gentleman simon is already out .
raylight 3006 15
12 years ago
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I hope he will go to Trentino, like Juantorena. For this two years, he can work on his defensive skill and become the best MB ever
RevanExtasis 746 11
12 years ago
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what do you think a team whit simon volkov, and the actual players of trentino?. trentino dont have efficients MB sala and biarreli. the italian volleyball in this moments sucks. the foreigns player lead the italian league. and well the next year copra will be join to the party wiht trentino and cuneo they are make a strong team. modena i think will be low his level. i dont know about the future but i wanna see simon, sanchez, leon and leal also hierrezuelo whit the t-shit of some club. will awesome but just one day.
raylight 3006 15
12 years ago
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Birarreli is quite good, actually, yesterday with 8/8 in spike and 5 blocks - 14 pts. His service is very efficient. Sala is just good, not like Simon, Volkov, Rodrigao
Kk15 1301 11
12 years ago
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"the italian volleyball in this moments sucks." --->please don't say that!!XD
Let me dream about Italy winning the World League!!=)
(btw, we need to form a new generation, because players like Fei, Mastro, Vermiglio are not easy to replace!!
It's a pity Parodi get injuried, I would like to see Savani as opposite and Parodi with Zaytsev as OH.)

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