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AuxlictTR 21 1
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Alexander Kovalev in Yeni Kiziltepe. The contract has been made and he started to training with his new team.. The official statement has not been made yet..

B…8 54
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Wilfredo Leon next year to dinamo Moscow ? ?

 

https://worldofvolley.com/Latest_news/Russia/112332/rus-m-dinamo-moscow-make-offer-to-len-for-next-season.html

jaisSI 205 8
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@Bob1988 yes, saw that one. Interesting! What do you think?

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@jais if miscow gonna keep vlasov lihosherstov dero and sokolov plus Leon. It’s gonna be strongest team.  But they wanna replace dero with Leon. So interesting to see

jaisSI 205 8
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@Bob1988 Deroo will go, yes. But if they will succeed and build a team with Sokolov and Leon (+ Pankov, great setter), they will be the real fire power. It will be interesting though what Zenit will do next season. They will probably part ways with Ngapeth.

B…8 54
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@jais zenit is really struggling now.  yes they most likely will let ngapeth go. They need to restructure their team cuz they are in really bad position. now. She. They had Anderson and Leon they were beating every single team so easy. Now they loosing to teams that in Russian league standing on the bottom. 

jaisSI 205 8
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Matt Anderson back from China to Perugia or Modena. If Perugia hires him, Superlega will be very very interesting, with Perugia having all the possibilities to win the trophy against Lube and Trento. If he chooses Modena, this could mean that Modena will return to it's spot amongst the top four, but still wouldn't have enough chances to win the trophy in my opinion.

https://worldofvolley.com/Latest_news/Italy/112329/ita-m-anderson-leaves-china-perugia-most-serious-candidates-to-hire-him.html

S…k 717 16
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@jais I really cross my fingers for Modena. I would have 3 of my 5 favorites players in the same team, my god ?

jaisSI 205 8
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@Sherlock I, personally, would prefer to see him in Perugia  - making them much stronger contenders and making the semifinals more interestin… :)

J. P.NL 139 3
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@jais I would also prefer him in Perugia. It's something plus modena won't cut to the finals I think

J. P.NL 139 3
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Does anybody know why Bartman's contract has been terminated? Was it due to bad performance or something else? Curious to know where he'll head next.

Mansoor Al Falasi 1
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@J.P. To Dubai 

J. P.NL 139 3
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@MansoorAlFalasi So that means he wanted to leave?

A…t 12 1
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@J.P. I'll just leave it here: 

https://www.plusliga.pl/statsPlayers/id/82.html

J. P.NL 139 3
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@Archivist Thats quite in line with what I read, but couldnt find a concluding source (most articles in Polish haha), so thanks for the info.

robj3PL 28 2
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@J.P. He dropped out of the sixth game, injury and played poorly and was tempted by “petrodollars”. Officially personal reasons.

J. P.NL 139 3
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@robj3 Man has to chase the bag sometimes haha

J. P.NL 139 3
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@jais Okay, so Micah's contract extension will be “bought” by Zaksa then?

 

jaisSI 205 8
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@J.P. Looks like something like that. Some kind of “trade” will take place.

S…k 717 16
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@jais I don't like this idea of Micah going to Poland… he is the best setter in the world, he should stay in Italy or Russia in a club with the ambition to win everything.

J. P.NL 139 3
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@Sherlock Well, Zaksa is a very strong club even on world level

J. P.NL 139 3
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@jais Well I dont want to disrespect Kampa, but I would not trade him for Micah haha

S…k 717 16
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@J.P. Zaksa is the best club in Poland but this league has been weaker and weaker for the last years, I can't see them going further than quarterfinals in Champions League.

J. P.NL 139 3
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@Sherlock Well Yeah you're right in that. But just came up with the idea of what if Toniutti would go to Modena in the trade and Kampa just finding another club. I think that would be cool.

jaisSI 205 8
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@Sherlock I agree, it would be better for him to stay in Italy, where the best volleyball is played. But I don't watch Polish league so I can't say how strong it is. We'll see this year in Champions league i guess.

jaisSI 205 8
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@J.P. Yes, Kampa is good but far from Micah. Considering Modena's financial difficulties, Kampa will not be such a financial burden I guess. And thus making some space in the budget for the top class attacker. 

I don't think Toniutti to Modena is even an option. He was the first domino - because of his transfer to Jastrzebski, ZAKSA had to find new setter and contacted Micah. 

S…k 717 16
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@jais Well, except from Bruno who is close, every setter is far from Micah. ?

J. P.NL 139 3
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@jais O I did not know that. I thought Micah was the first one to say he wanted to leave. Ah well, we won't see that happening unfortunately.

luad9604MX 1 3
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@jais I DO NOT AGREE, MICAH IS ONE OF THE BEST BUT HE IS NOT THE BEST. THAT TITLE IS TAKEN AWAY FROM LUCCIANO DE CECCO. IT'S NOT DISRESPECT, JUST IT IS WHAT IT IS. WHAT IS TRUE IS THAT BRUNO MICAH AND LUCCIANO ARE THE BEST IN THE WORLD

S…k 717 16
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@luad9604 Well, first, I don't think Caps Lock is necessary ? Second, I can not agree with you on De Cecco. He obviously has magical hands but his global level as a volleyball player is really under Bruno and Micah. He doesn't have the same agressivity, has not good enough block and serve.

jaisSI 205 8
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@luad9604 I agree that De Cecco is the very top-class, but not the best. I remember one of his games, very important one, I think it was a Supercoppa finals against Lube, but I'm not sure. Well, the fact is, that he played really badly. Too short sets, not the right didtribution, attackers were not as efficient as usually. And yes, such a game happens to anyone, but to the best in the world game like that can't happen in the important games. Haven't seen Micah and Bruno ever struggle like this (if they did, please tell me).

jaisSI 205 8
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@luad9604 plus, as sherlock has said, De Cecco doesn't block as well as Micah, doesn't have that strong serve (although he is not a bad server), and in my opinion Micah and Rezende are far better in defense, they read plays defensively and contribute a lot in that aspect of the game too.

S…k 717 16
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@jais I 100 % agree with you, nothing more to add. That's why Micah and Bruno are far from the others for me.

robj3PL 28 2
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https://siatka.org/pokaz/micah-christenson-celowniku-zaksy/

J. P.NL 139 3
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@robj3 Okay that would be interesting

orz5PL 2
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@robj3 Grbić denied this rumor… Micah has already signed contract with Modena for next 3 years.

J. P.NL 139 3
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@orz5 O yeah you're right. 5 years at Modena… quite a while

robj3PL 28 2
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@orz5 We have a proverb “There is a grain of truth in every rumor”. https://siatka.org/pokaz/sebastian-swiderski-wyslalismy-zapytanie-menadzera-micah-christensona/

orz5PL 2
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@robj3 Yea you have right. But i think the middle of season is the worst time to talk about future transfers etc. I know, the Fans likes rumors, news etc. But players… I think doesn't like news or rumors like this…

B…8 54
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Matt Anderson post “I miss him (his child boy) and her(his wife)” means this Christmas he is not with them. Did he go to ZENIT SPB for final 4 ? 

S…k 717 16
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@Bob1988 He'll officially play for Shanghai. ? He's already in China, in quarantine.

Happy With VolleyballTW 106 8
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@Bob1988  He's in China. China League only last one or two months, so he can still play for Modena or Russia club in play off.

B…8 54
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@Sherlock that’s what I though. Thanks :) 

Milan HomayounIR 39 4
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I can see many mistakes in the transfers section?.people be carefull

Happy With VolleyballTW 106 8
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@MilanHomayoun you can point it out. I think all the transfers are sourceable.  

Milan HomayounIR 39 4
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@HappyWithVolleyball Aye,I reported the posts and sent the correct informations

S…k 717 16
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@MilanHomayoun We have transfers sources in every language in the world, sometimes it is easy for us moderators to misunderstand something even with Google Translation (for example Russian, Chinese, Arabic…). Don't hesitate to tell us when you spot a mistake. ?

Milan HomayounIR 39 4
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@Sherlock Certainly,no matter

I shall manage transfers or anything about Iran's volleybal on this site,be assured

B…8 54
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ERVIN back to zenit ??? he start training with them again. Lol

J. P.NL 139 3
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@Bob1988 Man he really doesnt know what he wants does he….

J. P.NL 139 3
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Does anyone know why Yosvany has decided to go to Korean Air Jumbos? I thought only one foreign player could play for the club and they already have Villena.

Nadie KendrickUS 3
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@J.P.  Hasn't he been with them for a while?

J. P.NL 139 3
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@NadieKendrick No the transfer of Yosvany is very recent. They played without an international player for some time. 

Nadie KendrickUS 3
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@J.P. What about Andres J. Villena? 

J. P.NL 139 3
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@NadieKendrick He is injured (for about three months at least I thought), so his contract has been terminated.

Nadie KendrickUS 3
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@J.P. Oh….. I didn't know that 

J. P.NL 139 3
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@NadieKendrick Ai no problem. Always good to ask. 

B…8 54
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Rumors that NGAPETH doesn’t want to come back. He has bad communication with Alekno and he wanted to change the zenit coach. 

jaisSI 205 8
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@Bob1988 interesting! source?

Happy With VolleyballTW 106 8
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@Bob1988  Saw his Instagram, I don't think he will back to Zenit.

B…8 54
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@jais go to zenit Kazan insta and pic where they lost today 3:0 ( pic before last) someone wrote comment with link 

jaisSI 205 8
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@HappyWithVolleyball @Bob1988 Thanks. I don't have instagram, would be grateful if someone shared the link here. :)

B…8 54
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@jais here you go 

 

https://www.polsatsport.pl/wiadomosc/2020-12-20/afera-ngapetha-co-dalej-z-niesfornym-francuzem-i-jego-gra-w-kazaniu/?ref=slider

J. P.NL 139 3
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Ladies and gentlemen, we got him. Denis Kaliberda has been found (by @Auxlict ). 

KwelityDE 6 1
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@J.P. he donated his time to the family since april

J. P.NL 139 3
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@Kwelity That would explain it. Thats nice of him to do. Thank you for the info.

jaisSI 205 8
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@J.P. haha, Denis Kaliberda found alive, at last! :D
@Kwelity thanks for the explanation.

KVOLLEYKR 176 12
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Bartosz Krzysiek was released from Samsung Bluefangs because of unsatisfactory performances. Matheus Krauchuk will replace Bartek. https://sports.news.naver.com/news.nhn?oid=311&aid=0001241643

J. P.NL 139 3
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@KVOLLEY It's always the same players returning to Korea. Thought Krauchuk was playing well in Turkey.

Happy With VolleyballTW 106 8
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@J.P.  because they (Korean clubs) need to choose players in Tryout list.

J. P.NL 139 3
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@HappyWithVolleyball Sorry I'm not that well known with the Korean tryout system, so thanks for the info

S…k 717 16
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Huge information !! True or not ?

https://www.volleyball.it/kazan-titoli-di-coda-tra-ngapeth-ed-alekno-che-botti-in-russia/?fbclid=IwAR1e2oUI6Ql_x3mHSeNgAIGqcJIH6ZNQSmpqNITHzgqENf_P7N2hErETono

To summarize : N'Gapeth in conflict with Kazan, he came back to France without authorization and doesn't want to train. Kazan contacted Anderson to replace him, he said he will play in China (@Bob1988 ??). Also in Zenit Saint-Petersburg salaries have not been paid for two months and Earvin tried to play there to replace Camejo. Explosive situation.

B…8 54
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@Sherlock honelsty never heard about that. Let me do some homework.  

B…8 54
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@Sherlock  can you send some more info in English cuz I don’t understand other language.  

S…k 717 16
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@Bob1988 I don't have any sorry, I only have this italian news and N'Gapeth's agent in French.

B…8 54
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@Sherlock ya he left the club but according to some news he is coming back dec 20

 

jaisSI 205 8
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@Sherlock can you share news in french by ngapeth's agent? If I understood the Italian news Ngapeth wanted to return to France from Berlin. Did he want to spend the holidays with his family at home? Why did he do that? What was the reason of such an action?

S…k 717 16
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@jais I don't know really, as Berlin is close from France he probably wanted to spend time with his family. But that makes him miss the Russian Cup Final Four in the end of December and that's what made Alekno furious probably.

jaisSI 205 8
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@Sherlock Well to be honest that is quite an irresponssible action. You can't do something like this if you are a professional. On the other hand I do understand why he would want to go home. If there is anything else, any more news, please share it :)

S…k 717 16
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@jais Update : He's waited on sunday in Kazan. Let's see if a quarantine will make him the Cup Final Four and if everything will return to normal.

jaisSI 205 8
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@Sherlock Yep, heard about that one. He will be back in Kazan on Sunday, the 20th. Reportedly there's no quarantine in Russia, only a negative PCR test, so he should be able to play in the Cup Finals.

https://worldofvolley.com/Latest_news/Russia/112065/rus-m-ngapeth-returns-to-france-without-zenits-permission.html

B…8 54
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 Matt Anderson will join zenit SPB by the end of the year 

S…k 717 16
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@Bob1988 Lovely, it will be more easy to watch him play. Have you any source ?

B…8 54
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@Sherlock I was watching SPB gametoday and commentator said that Matt will be playing there even before New Years. @Sherlock .  Sense China decide not to get any players from diff country.  Kliuka shoulder injured and cameho has injury on his knee. So they don’t have any good outside players. Poletaev has some physical issues too so he might play opposite too. 

S…k 717 16
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@Bob1988 Okay thanks for the information ! Brizard, Anderson and Poletaev in the same team would be very interesting and spectacular !

jaisSI 205 8
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@Bob1988 So China officially won't accept any foreign players from now on? Is this something new? Because I hear it for the first time. I thought there were complications just with some of the foreign players, didn't think this is the policy now.

S…k 717 16
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@jais That is wrong because Marouf wil be playing in Shanghai. Maybe no players outside Asia ?

B…8 54
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@jais that’s what I heard and it is a rule now on.  google it up. 

B…8 54
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@Sherlock are you sure he will ? Cuz Anderson have singh the contract long time ago and he is not there. 

B…8 54
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@Sherlock you are deff wrong. If you would of follow his insta you would of know.  Nov 22 he post pick on insta with words “ I suppose to be in Shanghai already “ so it’s not only 3 day. follow his page to see where I’m getting my proves. 

jaisSI 205 8
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@Bob1988 Sherlock is talking about Marouf.

The news was also that Sedlaček will go to Shanghai (instead of Urnaut). And I don't find any useful sources about foreigners in chinese league. So I don't know…maybe there will be a twist in such direction. But so far, it looks like there's nothing official.

S…k 717 16
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@Bob1988 We know since last summer that Anderson was supposed to play in China. I believe you that he will play in Zenit Saint-Petersburg.

I was talking about Marouf, the official information that he will play in Beijing was released three days ago.

B…8 54
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@Sherlock sorry taking my words back though you were talking about Matt?

S…k 717 16
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@Bob1988 Haha no problem don't worry

rothen86PL 1
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Asseco Resovia Rzerzów lost two receivers - Tath and Szerszeń by injury. They start looking for the new. Who is available at the moment? Kaliberda? Sket?

jaisSI 205 8
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@rothen86 Šket already signed a contract in Slovenia. But the team where he signed has 5 recievers now, so maybe something would be possible…I don't know how things work but some kind of ransom would work I suppose.

No one knows where is Kaliberda, he just vanished… If they find him, it is possible… :)

jaisSI 205 8
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@rothen86 But they have Rafal Buszek on the team anyway so they don't need a new reciever for the starting six…?

A…t 12 1
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@jais It is a bit hard to conduct a training session with only 2 outside hitters available. Szerszeń's probably out until the end of the year and Täht for more than a month. Resovia will probably offer someone a few months contract if necessary and if any player is available.

J. P.NL 139 3
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@Archivist Does Resovia not have any youth players to rely on in the time that Täht is out?

jaisSI 205 8
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@Archivist Yes, but this means they don't need any big caliber player. They could give a short-term contract to a young perspective player from Poland, there must be plenty of them. Even inside Resovia organization.

A…t 12 1
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@jais Yes, I did not mention any "big caliber" player since it's hard to even find one now, but it also requires an experienced player to provide a suitable level for training session and most important, to provide a substitution during the match. Youth players seem like great idea for training session but to give a good substitution? Nevermind, will see.?

jaisSI 205 8
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@Archivist The first comment was mentioning big guns, such as Kaliberda and Šket.

Yeah that's right. I mean the fourth reciever could easily be a young perspective player. But the one for substitution should be a more experienced one. We'll see. ?

J. P.NL 139 3
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Hey, so does anyone know where Marcus Nilsson plays now? There are two transfers displayed when searching up his name in the transfer list, but his profile says Hylte/Hamlmstad VBK. @Volleybox please fix that.

S…k 717 16
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@J.P. There's no problem then. He got transferred to London this summer and then came back to Hylte/Halmstad in November : https://www.hallandsposten.se/sport/volleyboll/storstj%C3%A4rnan-g%C3%B6r-comeback-efter-nio-m%C3%A5naders-fr%C3%A5nvaro-1.37057284

J. P.NL 139 3
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@Sherlock Okay thanks. I already thought that happened. But do you know why Nillson then gets two different transfers in the same window, but players like Sket and Finger only get one, even though they also transfered to two different clubs this window?

S…k 717 16
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@J.P. Well, for Alen Sket there was a problem and I remember that 
Afyon Belediye Yüntaş was added “manually” (only added new club on the player's profile without using the transfers section). Same problem from Finger, there's only Piacenza on his profile. He played for Al-Arabi in the beginning of the season, right ?

It seems that someone is deleting clubs where players played in the first months of the season before being transferred elsewhere. I know it's quite special but they can totally play in two clubs in the same season. I'll watch out for this issue.

J. P.NL 139 3
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@Sherlock Ah so that's why. Finger indeed played for Al-Arabi. Thanks for the info. Did not know the volleybox system worked so that this would be possible.

S…k 717 16
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@J.P. Okay I've corrected it !

J. P.NL 139 3
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@Sherlock Hey, somebody has undone the transfer of Finger to Doha. He probably thought he was doing the right thing. So I Guess that you might need to fix it again

S…k 717 16
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@J.P. Well, someone already tried and I removed his proposition of removing the transfer. It looks like it has been validated while I was not here. Moderators need to be more careful to what they validate or delete..

TailorJames3FR 3 1
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Hello, there is an error, Yuksel Mandiraci left Altekma and not Haliliye. Thank’s 

jaisSI 205 8
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Alen Šket back in Slovenian league. Maribor with him even more firmly one of the favourites for Slovenian throne. Even though ACH and Calcit are strong and full of famous names it is Maribor who has been showing the best performances so far. 

Maribor will conquer at least Slovenian Cup if not Slovenian league and Mevza league too.

jaisSI 205 8
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Huge transfer, Tine Urnaut back from China to Milano!

The reason is quite bizzare. He was negative on all the coronavirus test, but the blood analysis showed that he has the antibodies for corona. This is the reason that he wouldn't be able to get the working visa. Both sides (the club and Urnaut) mutually agreed on breaking the contract.

It's interesting that Milano has acquired Urnaut, because they already have players of high quality (Ishikawa, Maar even Bašić). But probably they will try to tactically fill in the gap due to Patry's injury.

S…k 717 16
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@jais I really don't think his coming is related to Patry's injury, because they already have another very good opposite, Luan Weber. But obviously Urnaut is a superb transfer for them and he will be their number one outsider hitter. That's a shame for me because Basic will have almost no chance to play, but well, that's how it works.

jaisSI 205 8
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@Sherlock well but obviously they have problems with Weber. I mean against Perugia it was first Maar and then Ishikawa on the opposite. And that's why I thought maybe Urnaut will be an outside so that Maar can move to the opposite. I don't know maybe I misjudged, maybe Weber is good enough.

Yes, I agree with you, I loved how Basic developed, he really upped his form and is a very good player. There will be a great rivalry on the outside hitter position from now on. 4 very good players. 

jaisSI 205 8
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@Sherlock Anyway, there is some time before Urnaut will be able to return to the highest level. Firstly, he had a 14 day quarantaine and didn't touch the ball a lot. Secondly, he wasn't playing pro club volleyball since Modena in 2019. His last official match was with Slovenia NT in January, that's almost a year ago. That's why I am a bit cautious when talking about his form. Really interested to see how will he perform. And when he will return to his highest level.

S…k 717 16
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@jais I didn't watch a lot of Milan's matches but Luan Weber impressed me last year in Sada Cruzeiro where he pushed Evandro on the bench ! I though he would be a good competition for Jean but it seems that there is no match. Let's see how it works though.
Yes I think Maar or Basic as the opposite would be a great idea if Weber is not good enough. Obviously Ishikawa and later Urnaut are too precious in reception to make them play as opposite spikers. 

jaisSI 205 8
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@Sherlock Yes, Maar looks like he has a physicality needed for being the opposite. You're right about the reception though.

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