Bartosz Kurek 3rd meter spike (Wieluń - Skra)

Perfect, Zyta! Now you’re my favourite “Polaca”. Glinka and Skowronska are behind you now. ;-)

That’s true. Kaziyski is one of the most humble players I’ve seen, with a great attitude towards fans.

I don’t need to quote you since your behaviour says it all. What kind of person thinks others hate a player or a whole country just because they have different opinion? Don’t like me? Ignore me. It’s simple. I have no pleasure discussing with people like you, and I just did it because you made an offensive remark towards me, you fool!

HCLT: [quote] Hey Czilikd, first of all, your nickname is hard to remember... You make me think about a former American player called Ctvrtlik (I think my friend Pearl will agree).[quote]



Yeah, man...i agree...each time i have to write Bob's surname i'm about to have a high temperature ;D

Sorry for my OT

I don't hate Kaziyski. Actually he seems to be a very nice guy, and most of all he doesn't have an attitude, like others do. And of course he is outstanding in attacking and serving. Still he is not a complete player, and he'll never be. For that reason he is far from beeing the GOAT, or what some of you think he is. Even though he might be the most dominant now. If you don't agree whith me that's fine. But argue, don't accuse me of hating bulgarians or sth.

Please, quote my comment telling Kaziyski is a God.. I'm not raylight.. if you haven't noticed yet. And be polite, and don't define me as freak..you are passing the limits of good behavior.

hola, hola! Wait! My goal is not to offend anyone. I do like Kaziyski, I think he is a very good player and good guy outside the court, but I used "god" with irony to show how Raylight's fanaticism looks like in my eyes. And remember I'm Pole as well, but I don't praise Kurek because he is Pole etc. I think I can see strengths and weaknesses of my team and I don't cry or argue when someone thinks in a different way and don't call Kurek, Zagumny or Winiarski the best or say they would not play as a starter in XYZ National Team. Seriously, who the hell cares if they would or not? They play for my country and it won't change.


Oh please stop, because I'm gonna cry too. Believe me, first of all he has no time for reading comments. Besides guy has distance to himself and in one thing I agree with Bulgarians here - he is very humble. So don't worry, he won't feel bad.


Of course he should. His fanaticism and blindness reached the top and he can't see he is just silly right now. Matey, Matey, Matey, Matey, Matey. Bulgaria is better, better, better, even if they have less medals, oh sorry, as a NT only two, better, better, better. You have no idea how this affects on opinions about Bulgarian fans in Poland. And I'm not talking about those here who argue with HCLT in the same way Raylight does. I'm talking about more mature people or those who don't comment but read it. Maybe not today, but tomorrow or the day after I can translate for you one amazing comment written by Polish girl - perfect picture of how we see now bulgarian fanaticism.

It seems it’s never enough, as you guys don’t stop behaving like freaks. ;-)

If only you could see how stupid sound your comments about your god. lol

@HCLT you said too much already.. "Just to make you happy: Bulgaria has the best players, best fans, best teams, best coaches, best commentators... ;-) " We have already heard that about 1000 times.. It doesn't sound smart from the 2nd time..

Only Bulgarians playing, right? Interesting...

Hahahahaha

Evil miracle? Bulgaria didn’t even get close to win anything.

Just to make you happy: Bulgaria has the best players, best fans, best teams, best coaches, best commentators... ;-)

Hey Czilikd, first of all, your nickname is hard to remember... You make me think about a former American player called Ctvrtlik (I think my friend Pearl will agree). Can I call you Kowalski? Sorry if I put you into that large group represented by annoying kids who barely understand the sport. I disagree that Eastern European teams prefer Kurek type of player. Look at Russia, how much they have changed in the last years. Serbia is a great example, beginning in the mid nineties. Even Poland... Ten years ago you wouldn’t have a player like Winiarski. Now you not only have him, but also KubiakAAAAA. Regarding the hard hitters, I assure you any team would prefer they had more skills. Why take a Kurek type (we won’t mention that other guy whose surname starts with “K” to avoid freaks reaction), if you can have someone like Dante, who receives, digs and blocks in high level. Think about it. When former Yugoslavia won the bronze in Atlanta 1996 and later the gold in Sydney 2000, Vlad Grbic and Goran Vujevic were high skilled players.

Happy New Year guys ;D!

Just for the record - I'm Bulgarian and I don't think Kaziyski is a god of anything :D If I may quote you here,@champion - "I am very proud with Kaziyski, respect him a lot and celebrate every success of his but do not want to be blind for the weaknesses he may have." :) Btw,he's not blind for his weaknesses,either. Since Bulgaria(as I lot of you often love to point out ;) )hasn't won a gold medal,it's super cool for us when we see him with Rado and Ceco,waving our flag at the top,that's all!Trust me! :D As @Sllaveq is pleading,let's please stop it now.Let's stop using his name in vain :D (jk)

My dear countryman and man, I know that nobody hates Kaziyski, my question was just a way to tell everyone which are calling Мatey ironically "god" that this is not the way to offend raylight. Matey is not god as he is not the best player in the world, nobody is! Imagine you are Kaziyski and see this site and read so many comments against you just to offende some your country man who says you are the best in the world... it's awful. Raylight you should stop it!

@HCLT don't worry about my english ;) I know you suppose the situation but it makes me angry because I've never taken part in such things like blind arguing about polish NT. Of course I like this type of playing which Kurek or Kaziyski represents furthermore all best NT from east Europe prefer this type of playing with use phisical abilities. But OK leave it.;)

why you hate Kaziyski so much? Because Raylight is arguing with you and you have different opinion or you just hate him because he is bulgarian, or WHY?

Pesazi, you don't understand what I wrote, nothing wrong with that, I think there is no ground for dispute if we can not translate the statements into our languages( like in Babylon ) "Bulgarian NT (players, which are at least seen as stars by many people, but they don't win anything)" They won everything on club level. There will never be second receiver as Konstantinov, who also has height, power, serve and attitude for the game, for example. It is evil miracle that NT with such player didn't win tons of golds Matey Kaziyski is the BEST spiker in volleyball, for sure for the last 5years. I don't argue if it is for the whole history of the game since I haven't watched enough games to have more information, but since 2006 volleyball is his kingdom. Like Messi or Ronaldo in football. These two guys can not be "seen as stars", just like Giba, Dante, Jordan, Maradona or Kasparov. The thought that the player with most MVP's in Greece or the 3 times European and World Champion could be questioned as overall value is offensive.

Haha thanks Henrique.
I just thought I should help you out a little bit against our polish and bulgarian kids, who need a deeper understanding of the game.

I know, and you're right. But remember, an opposite player doesn't affect the teams reception, which has an important role in the asian concept. raylight mentioned Kaziyski, so I was referring mostly to this particular position.
The reason for asian clubs to buy opposite players is obviously. The average team in this league is extremly undersized. Even a mediocre player like Rooney can dominate by going over the block every single time.
I was talking about the asian NT. Thats a totally different thing, because hitting against a russian block is a little different than hitting against a block of little chinese guys, who mostly doesn't even play for their NT.

Specialization

LOL

Thx dude, few more comments about me being smart and funny and my ego will explode ?

Pesazi, you’re the man. Glad to read your comments here. ;-) Zyta, your remark made me laugh out loud. You’re such a smart and funny girl. I still don’t know why Michal Ruciak and Radostin Stoychev don’t like you.

Czilikd, I think you didn’t get the joke. Some guy wrote Kaziyski was “unlimited” hitter and server, and I was making fun of it. Okay, you played pro. Where? For how long? I remember a former player once said in an interview some athletes are like cows, as they just follow what their coaches say without thinking or adding anything. Maybe you were one of them. If I wrote “you guys would freak out”, it’s something that WOULD happen. Sorry, no intention to offend you, but I see you can’t understand some things written here because of your English. It’s not my intention to disrespect you by saying that. Let’s stop this discussion and move on, okay? ;-) If you still wanna discuss something about Kurek, just ask. He’s not my kind of player, but it seems you really like him.

sure. who wouldn't change the concept for Kaziyski god?

@HCLT I used "unlimited" word because you probably like it (topic about Kazisky with Bulgarian friends). As I mentioned i used to play prof vball so I know whats going on. And again I didn't write anything about polish NT for glorify and you acused me again about that. Guy maybe you have problem with understand this game. And you wrote "you guys would freak out" sorry again you blame me about something I never writen. HCLT if you write "you" I understand me and other Poles or only me. We had discussion about Kurek and you changed it with no reason to discuss about my NT and you said that I glorify all polish players from NT (when I wrote something like that?). And still you haven't give me a prove about Kurek's topic as well I gave it.

Nobody said that. I didn’t say you said such thing. The “unlimited”, mentioned by someone else, was referring to another player. You should read more carefully.

You should read the whole thing again. I think you didn’t understand. Unlike some Poles and Bulgarians who can only see their teams and come here to hype some very limited players, I never wrote anything to glorify Team Brazil. Gimme a break... BTW, if Kurek and his teammates had won a single major, you guys would freak out. I don’t need to remind you what Poland has achieved so far, do I? I recognize the strengths of every team, while you can’t even understand volleyball. I’m very sorry for you.

pesazi - The asians are buying foreigns from all around the world in their leagues. Only 1 foreign is allowed on a team in their leagues and most of them are buying opposite and it fits very well in the asiant teams. For example Nikolov played in Japan I think and there are many more examples like Rooney and others.

I didn't want to offend you, sry if I did.
But I really think you should understand the meaning behind a volleyball concept/style of playing/philosophy. Whatever you call it, it means the same thing.

Screwing the concept of a team is always important. And always negative. Every team needs a concept. I'll give you some examples later.

True, but remember, you would still take away the teams biggest force. Especially asian teams rely ALOT on their concept. And even if a Kaziyski-like player would give the team something they didn't had before, he won't score 100% of his attacks.

Henrique already posted an answer to "unlimited" players... please stay serious

Big mistake right here. If a club decides to run a certain concept, it has to choose certain players, who fit in this concept. It's not the other way round. It's very hard to develope a concept for a given set of players. Someone mentioned the example of Dante, who didn't play in the NT, until his reception was good enough for the brazilian game. Altough he was a great attacking player already.

Now some examples for teams with great players, but no concept:
Miami Heat (lost NBA finals versus Dallas with James, Wade and Bosh)
Real Madrid (lots of money and stars, but didn't reach the CL final for years, and struggle always against Barcelona)
Manchester City (compilation of star players, but struggle national and international)
Bulgarian NT (players, which are at least seen as stars by many people, but they don't win anything)

Please don't give me qualifications, I am sure you don't have the necessary education to give me such. The fact that you speak personally and you turn discussion into personal argument with emotional judgments means you are not educated enough to separate reason from persons. About the subject: What does style means in volleyball? Style is a way of playing the game, a mean to an end. The goal is victory. If you replace all around player who has passing 7/10, digging 7/10, serving 7/10, blocking 7/10 and so on with someone who is 4-6/10 in other areas but 10/10 spiking and 9/10 serving and the team starts winning titles - then is screwing style important? The question is how to maximize the probability of scoring two points more than the opponent for three sets out of five. There are many ways to do that - you can make all players -all around and that can increase the probability or you can add some best in class spikers and you will have different team profile and you still will have winning team. This is not about Kaziyski or Kurek or Fukuzawa, it is about calculations, modeling and stats. If a player brings more to the team that he weakens it, it is positive difference. Style is something players shape. If you have 1.89 cm players you have to count on speed, defense, agility, precision etc. If you have tall, powerful players with cold heads, there is much less need of all that qualities. If you put powerful player into a team of small players, it may abrupt the game, but it may just change it in such a way that the player can be used properly. It depends on the team, on the player, on the coach, many factors. What is the point of that: STYLE IS MADE BY THE PLAYERS, IT CAN BE BROKEN AND REBUILT FOR THEM, it is not a religion, it is the optimal gaming strategy for given set of players. Change the set and you need new style to get the best of them, and probably more than with the previous style.

Sry raylight, but you just proved once more, that you don't understand the volleyball basics.
Volleyball is all about working as a team. It's about 7 players, playing the same style on the court, following the same philosophy.
Asian teams play a style, that requires everything, Kaziyski doesn't have.Beside their speed and creativity, they rely on their reception and their defense strategy. Kaziyski would screw that base, like Zyta said.
Sure he could solve some difficult balls, but in the long run the team is definitlely weaker and more predictable.
BTW the same thing would happen if you put Fuzukawa or Gottsu in the bulgarian NT.

About Kurek... he has everything to be a great player, which he is not yet.
But he has to realise (and work accordingly), that winning spike competitions and hitting the 3m line in every second game might get him the admiration of some polish kids, but not the recognition of those who know the game.

"I like Kaziyski for me he's 2nd after Juantorena as reciver." @czilikd - Cool,but even if you didn't like him,that would have been fine with me :) There are players with big fan bases,that I don't like,so I totally get it,that not everybody loves the sh*t out of him LOL I only have a problem,when someone calls him a second class player - I'll have to ask Henrique if that qualifies me for the title of "Matey freak" :D

You are welcome :)

Thanks raylight :)

@HCLT'"By saying “He” you’re talking about the Polaco guy who wrote before me, right?. Well, I don’t get why some people need to know if their players would be good enough to join other NTs." Please don't change main point od discussion if you are serious and you know something about vball, I didn't said Kurek is wow "unlimited ;)" so he can join to Brazil and if u admit that I will be exaited like kid"yes yes yes" I just gave you example, small part of interview with Rezende and Zorzi but as I see you can't give me the prove also you changed subject to NT even I didn't say polish team is the best and only with top player because I am Polaco guy not "Brazilaco". You speak about wrong things that I've never mentioned as well I can write u're wrong because u're fan of brazil NT and u see and like only them even in this discussion haven't been anything about your NT

"And before raylight will open his mouth - yes I know, Kaziyski would be perfect for any team in the Universe, who cares he would screw all base of Japanese style of play." Wow, Zyta, that was rude For the record - screwing some team's style doesn't necessary make the team weaker, it is cultural, not volleyball problem

Here is the book

http://www.lerparaver.com/files/Bernardinho%20-%20Transformando%20Suor%20em%20Ouro.pdf

@HCLT remarks about Poland but when? When Lozano was coach or Castellani? Now I'm speaking about one player about Kurek and please give me example that he is as bed as you think but avoid "somethinh like it's my opinion" Moreover during last year my NT changed a lot and It's given results. But probably u mean the team from 2010. Please if there is link with english translation of this book send it ;)

No, he's limited of course ... I'm talking about his vertical. If you have time translate it to me (message). ;]

In one of his books, the second one (“Transformando suor em ouro”), Bernardinho makes not so good remarks about Poland. But I won’t translate it anyway, as the kids will get angry with me or will say I’m lying. Let’s just forget about it.

I know, I know... He’s "unlimited in spiking and serving”, right? ;-)

" (NightFox) Polish fans started the topic of Matey - so it's not an irony at all. It's the truth... And here are the never endless dump questions and misguided people. HCLT: lol" I mean in this topic (comments) "No, he can’t. The injuries started to affect his performance, he’s not the same he used to be. His best years are gone. Live with that, NightFox." Henrique here you are wrong, he can ... can't prove it to you but I see it every game and watch him since a long time.And it's not something that I care about, because if he is effective I'm not worried.

someone called me?

One more time. Read it, remember it or tatoo it on your forehead if your memory is crap.
Remember that people like Giba or Rezende represent not only themselves or the team, but whole Brazilian Federation. They have to polite, sometimes use courtesy, they can't say "Kaziyski/Kurek/Anderson sucks". Such things can say only Poltavsky, because everybody knows how difficult he is and people will say "old, good Semen, haha". But when Rezende would say "Kurek sucks", he won't be welcome in Poland anymore. Some things you can't say to the public, in media. They can't say for example how much they hate Italian NT because of some players who behave like the best in the world so they don't respect others. Other can't say that at loud because they play in Serie A1, where players are fine, but when it comes to NT they act like gods of the vball world. You have to be respectful, no matter how bad you think about skills of some player. So when journalist asks again Rezende about this, Bernie takes let's say the most important in this moment player of the particular team and mention him. But someone who is key player in this team doesn't have to be key player in the other team. Do you think Giba would be a key player in the team with Bulgarian style of play? Or Kaziyski's skills would be perfect for Japanese style of play? And before raylight will open his mouth - yes I know, Kaziyski would be perfect for any team in the Universe, who cares he would screw all base of Japanese style of play.
So Kurek's case is the same like with chances of Kaziyski to play in Brazilian NT.

By saying “He” you’re talking about the Polaco guy who wrote before me, right?. Well, I don’t get why some people need to know if their players would be good enough to join other NTs.

lol

No, he can’t. The injuries started to affect his performance, he’s not the same he used to be. His best years are gone. Live with that, NightFox.

Michal, you’re so mean. I hope I’ll never be like that, destroying kids’ illusions. You know, if those guys said so, it has to be that way. lol

Who’s Zagumny?

In my team, we do that kind of spikes also (Passes inside) but I don't hit them that close :)

@proud I,ve never said I don't like Kaziyski. I wrote there isn't as big distance between Matey and Kurek as between Michal and normal V-ball fans without local teams argues. I like Kaziyski for me he's 2nd after Juantorena as reciver. But i don't want to think that Bulgarian starts argue because I didn't write there is Matey and nothing else.

@ nightfox I know 1984 I wrote if he will... there is diffrence between he is and he will

"If Kaziyski(polish second name ) will be from Poland of course Poles will say the same as about Kurek." No, as long as he won't habitually bronze his pants in the most important games.

"Kaziyski - polish second name" Then why don't you like him more? :D (jk)

Blind??? You're funny. You gave me examples like Kaziyski, Khtey ;) OK it's great. Give me examples that someone like Rezende says something like that about players who aren't from top? Like someone from Cameron. I gave you examples about Kurek (Rezende, Zorzi- interview with fivb reporter). The biggest ironny is that Poles hate themselves. If Kaziyski(polish second name :D) will be from Poland of course Poles will say the same as about Kurek. HCLT you're the best here I realised that during Zagumy's discuussion. Bravo

@Michal - haha,they sure have fooled a lot of people all over the world :D Btw,nice to see you again :)

"I just said Kaziyski isn't far better than Kurek(not Kurek is better)." I'll try to be as polite as I can: you're being a good joker. "Also Kaziyski had the best phisical shape 3 years ago. Do you think Matey will reach 370 in age 30" Wrong, he's the same, but in his case general exhaustion is the problem. In fact volleyball players increase physical abilities through all their career to the point where injuries start to limit them, or they're really old. So if he stays relatively healthy he will keep his reach. @proud I remember that. By the way when it comes to courtesy Rezende and Giba are the ones who should feel conscience-stricken while falling asleep. Just imagine how many people were given illusory hopes :p

NXT, Polish fans started the topic of Matey - so it's not an irony at all. It's the truth.

czilikd, dude, do you know how old is Kaziyski now ? What are you talking - I'm not dump not to know that when you get older your phisical abilities are getting lower ... but why are you asking me this question, I've never said anything about Matey's reach after 3 years ... Right now Kaziyski can reach his maximum altitude from the past years, but he does it only when it's truly necessary.
And here are the never endless dump questions and misguided people.

Well yeah... I can agree with Henrique now. He basicly means that Brasil is considered the best team in the world and if Resende says something like "yes I'd love to see Kurek in our team" is just a great compliment for Bartek - nothing more. It would be exactly the same if Cameroon was the best team the Brasilian reportes would ask their (Cameroon) couch if Dante would find a place in their team and the answer was "yes" - that's the fact. If Italy was the best Russian (and all other) reporters would ask if Khtey would be welcome in their team... etc. etc. Why talking about Matey is here again is just beyond me... but yeah - (IRONY starts here) it's Polish guys that are blind fans... '-.- (IRONY ends here)