Hi guys i read this from the volleyball.it and well i one of the most thing that i was waiting.Juantorena is out of Trento for the Next season he will play almost certainly in Rusia and well i want to know how can impact this for the Trentino team, they can lose territory in europe for sure. Thoughts?
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of course, sokolov's sitting on the bench is stoychev's fault, it's obvious as he's a head coach of both teams Tsvetan plays in.
The question is, why Sokolov himself doesn't seem to try and change this situation?
speaking your words, where is his character? since he's got a talent why doesn't he do something? or he's ok about sitting his best years away? that's just the thing i don't understand, the rest is clear
...and this leads me to the conclusion: if a man can't fight for his own career, he won't fight for anything, including sports titles...
I start wondering the same thing,because there's no way that after these 3 years he still thinks Trento is the right choice for him.
i mean, how long has he been sitting on the bench in trentino and then in NT? 3 years?
why doesn't he change the club? even in a weak one, he would improve more than in trento... does the contract tights him up somehow?
About Mosna statement - of course they're parting on good terms,(I think Osmany has said he may return to Trento one day)but no one can honestly believe that he,management,staff,fans,you name it are not disappointed Os is leaving.They didn't want to lose him,he's not being sold for money.
@AndreaTN - I often read posts on your forum,but thanks to the "amazing" google translation(well,and the fact that I don't understand Italian... ?) I don't always get everything,so thank you for clarifying a few things,it was really helpful ?
@_k-is-for-kate_ - Glad you appreciated it ?
My question wasn't for you,I understood what you meant.Other people were implying some stuff,so I was curious,but Andrea already cleared it all out ?
Don't get defensive I've got nothing against you.
Andrea, every player has a note in the contract and it's written an exact price for his leaving/buying. For example if you remember when Matey leaved Dynamo, they won't let him go except he pays his "price" which was about a million if my memory is all right. In bulgarian medias the price of Juantorena's "note" is 1,2 - 1,4 mil.
So that info you wrote is just "your way of seeing things" or it's a confirmed information, because I didn't knew a lot of these things ?
Osmany signed a contract with Trento til 2015 , with a condition... if he receive some incredible offer he can go out of Trento if his following team will pay Trento about 1milion! Last year some voices after V-Day 2011 told that he left Trento but he decided to stay here for another season (this)... 1 week ago Osmany had an interview for a local newspaper and he said that he had a dinner with Mosna and they reached an agreement ... he'll stay in Trento with a little bit increase of his conctract...after this dinner no one gave him the new contract so he ask if Trento really want him for next seasons and that he want to stay here..not to go anywhere and so on...and that Matey start contracting after him and signed the contract yet (but the contract of Matey end this year, not in 2015) ... after some days Mosna give osmany the proposal and Osmany say that he think about that for some days...... you know how this story finished! i don't know if trento can't support osmany salary... i think so...i think mosna give him his maximum proposal but i think kazan's one is just amazing so he decided so .....here in Trento the fan are sad but agree with his decision .. the only thing we cannot understand is that interview....where he said that he wanted to stay here...and then....
if your question was to me, i meant Kaziysky's contract has nothing to do with Osmany's decision, but Trento's decision about Osmany. But again, Kaziyski's contract was not a major reason to my mind. It's just all those reasons joined together like parts of a puzzle and in the end everyone's got a bargain, that's it. And if this solution suits everybody, I mean Trentino, Juantorena and Zenit, why not?
Why let them go at all?They have everything.
Trento's definitely not happy about losing Osmany,or why would Mosna say he's disappointed about
Osmany's choice?
The more I think about it the more I come to kate's conclusion that it's a matter of lost motivation.He probably wants to prove to himself(and others) that he can have the same success with a different club.
Btw,how does Matey's contract have anything to do with his decision?Osmany signed a contract last year and reached whatever deal he wanted with the management.It's not like they were negotiating together and only one got what he wanted,so the other one's leaving.He just got a better offer,so he's moving on.(Sorry if I made you puke,kate ? jk )
edit:Just read you post,NightFox - I promise I didn't "steal" that thing about Mosna,we were just thinking the same ?
Also,you're spot on about the reason Trento's contemplating getting Zaytsev as a replacement.
Every contract has this "clause" ... or it will be just the players going in different clubs without even telling the previous one ... lol
So, why Mosna said that he's disappointed or he's just lying us ?
The only reason that Zaytsev is the most suggestive option is because he's the only italian classy receiver playing in weak team for the standards of Seria A and Zaytsev's own.
I just think it was a bargain, there never can be enough money, can there? i understand that their victories brought them money as well, but let's be honest, it's not football and money always tend to be spent.
an besides... I mean nobody concrete (please don't take it wrong), but when the team composition is stable and there's no new faces, the oldies may lose some part of motivation and spirit of competition. Perhaps Trento decided it would be nice to refresh the squad a little.
So everybody's happy
edit: Nightfox, following your logic: if Trentino had piles of money (as you imply) and wanted to keep Osmany, they would find a solution not to let him go.
far more likely both Juantorena and Trentino went for money, as they spent quite a lot on Kaziyski
whatever other circumstances are, a "friendship" (if there is any) would not play a dominant role as you say
Zenit've paid compensation to Trentino
Just want to say I'm really impressed with the way Trento's fans are taking the news - in their forum they're thanking him(with very long,passionate posts ? ) for everything he's done for them for the past few years.Understandably,there's some sadness,but there's no anger or "Oh,it's all bs,he chose the money,bla-bla". I'm gonna join them in wishing him luck (like he's gonna need it... ?) wherever he's going(is it Zenit for sure?) ? .
Btw,what's the situation with Trento's finance?I heard something about some of the sponsors pulling away or is that wrong?
There were those offered by the Russians. In Trento there are no 'petrolrubli'.
There comes a renewal of Matey, it was a personal choice to Osmany.
This is very bad