I can't belive it.
What the hell happened to us??? We did too many stupid thing, how many conter-attack they let us we didn't use!! I can't explain this.
I mean, Bulgaria played great, we played bad, referees stolen us points in the most important moments, and beside that we were always so close.. Why we didn't managed to did few thing a little bit better and avoid this end??
"Thank you Polish fens for the support! Very nice of you ?)" supporting Bulgaria they were supporting Poland, they didn't have other choises ?
Now, go Argentina. Facu I want you MVP of the WL.
@raylight, coupleSSSS of errors. only one for Bulgaria, I think. Last time I regretted in general the referees because they did lot of errors on both side, this time I feel really mad about this.
Honestly I think Italy would have lost anyway. 17 blocks against 6 , under 40% as for positive reception, never once reactive and accurate with 2nd touches, the main target was spiking in the 3rd meter with show for Bulgarian Block. I think We deserved going home. The only positive side is about Ivan Zaytsev... what a jump and serve!=O
@Kk15 I agree with you, Go Argentina!
Yes, we played bad, but beside that (and beside Bulgarian playing great) we were often quite close (or if we weren't we recovered), so I can't avoid thinking that if the referees didn't interferred at the and of the first set, we could may be be able to won it, and to start playing better. Of course sport can't be maden with "if" or "may be"...
Before this game I thought: I'm glad is all up to us, I belived we could reach this semifinal and we could do this by our own, so we will have what we deserve: if we will win, that will be the proof we deserve to be in semifinal, if we will lost that will mean we don't, because we are not ready for this.
Now it's hard to handle the result of this match ç_ç
Don't worry guys, you can play much better, we know from our own experience ? Parodi can come back and it will look even better, altough you have a problem when Lasko plays bad.
Thanks oioi, what i'm really sorry about is that we can do better than this, we showed it in the intercontinental round 10/12 and now we were able to do this - and with Poland help - only 1/3...
Argentina are playing parody. They tested Poland in the first set, it was clear that they are the better team and they started to imitate play. They think that Poland will be better for the bronze medal match than Bulgaria. I hope you will punish them, I dislike cheaters. About Italy - last year they deliberately let Serbia go the final round instead of us, they made mad pools for the WCH in Italy and got undeserved 4th place. Sorry, KK15, but Anastazi is not a person to like. Italy got what they deserved. Sorry for Savany, Zaytsev, Bari and Birarelli, though
raylight are you trying to tell me Argentina who crashed you yesterday cheating today, because she afraid Bulgaria more than Poland in battle for bronze? Stop talking bullshit, dude. Bulgaria showed today how Vlado, motivation and support of fans can help them, it gave Poland hope - if Bulgaria could improve their game so much, why we can't? And also refs are parody they have stolen so many points of Argentina that i'm not surprised Argentina got nervous and made mistakes.
Look at them now, are you still trying to tell me they're cheating?
Considering ARG is a young team and supposing they're thinking about the bronze (like you said), what would be best: face BUL that they destroyed or POL who has 10,000 ppl to support them?
At the end we took what we were able to achieve, but I don't agree, I think we deserved more than this, but we can blame only us if we didn't managed to (and a little bit the referees for today). We work hard, we had the courage to try a new gruop, to give faith to younger players, or players that was on the bench before. We didn't complain because we have tired players for italian championship, because we didn't have older and more experienced player, because we had only 10 days of training with the whole team, because Savani was injuries, etc. I can't belive that in the most important moment we lost our spirit, our will of victory, our enthusiasm. The nervousism was protagonist in 3 of the last 3 macthes. So please don't say "Italy got what they deserved", seems that we stolen every match we won.
Argentina don't have nothing to fight for, exept one meaningless victory. I would prefer them to playing better, of course, but they won 2 matches and thanks to this they get the first place, so "earned" the chance to let someone rest. While Poland has 18.000 people cheering for them and a real reason to win. (the same was in matches Russia vs Bulgaria and Italy vs Cuba, who had a better reason to win, won)
"They think that Poland will be better for the bronze medal match than Bulgaria."
They beat Bulgaria 3-0, so I don't think is such a big problem for them. Beside Poland plays at home, so is probbaly to be considered tougher than Bulgaria.
Zyta, you are the most predictable of all my friends here. You always defend the opposite of my opinion. I should marry you, but I am already married ?
About Uriarte, lot of people criticazed him in M.Roma last season (between the fans). I like him, he is not a genius but he is quite smart, good block and serve, and imo nice set too. What he lacked in Rome was leadership, smth that a setter has to have I think, but that's normal considering he was the younger player etc... So I prefer him in Argentina NT because he is more "free", playing between other youngs (and close firends). Look at how many times he set to MBs, he didn't do it so often in Rome ?
So, Poland is in semifinal vs Russia. Compliments Poland ?
BTW, that a wird pool... Argentina won vs Italy that won vs Poland that won vs Argentina; Italy won vs Poland that won vs Bulgaria that won vs Italy etc.... what a mess xD
Fighting for a place in the semifinals, and just later we're sadly the last team in the pool.. This is volleyball, this is sport. Tomorrow we'll see nice south american and european semis. My predictions: BRA-ARG 3-1 , POL-RUS 1-3.
BTW people, guess what I have for you before semis, little present, message from Henrique!
"Greetings from Gdansk! I’m almost voiceless as I was supporting Poland against Argentina with my friend Zyta. My kindest regards to my friends Roninho and Saku… Roninho, I heard you can’t forget me, and you’ve been looking for me on TV. Maybe I should send you a picture. Keep looking for me, don’t give up… LOL
I’m happy Bulgaria was kicked out of the semis. Well done, Poles! Ignaczak rocks, he’s the best player on your NT.
Remember I told you about the Argentineans? It’s happening. Conte, De Cecco and their mates are great. They’re on the right track to get a medal in London 2012.
I won’t say anything about Brazil. They keep winning, getting titles… So boring... Someday Cameroon will end this and start a new volleyball age.
So my friend Raylight is a father! Please, send me your address and email through Zyta and I’ll send you a present. Meet you next year in Sofia. Hope your NT gets better, once Bulgaria was just a party crasher at the 2011 WL finals.
Cheers,
Henrique, your favourite Brazilian of all time. ;-);-)
P.S.: Polish supporters are awesome. It’s amazing how they love volleyball. After seeing all these Poles cheering, I kinda regret the bad things I said to the Polaco kids. Well, a little bit… LOL"
I hope Argentina can beat Brazi and Poland can play with Russia, we won with them many times, our team will be muhc more motivated than to play with others, Russia- ou r old big enemy since centuries ?
How could the referees get so high? I thought drugs were illegal in Poland. Now seriously- nice from the hoster side for some free drinks, but why methanol?
Poland had a very lucky today. I am very happy with the advancement to the semifinals. Most of the fans deserve this promotion. They are fantastic. I am also pleased that tomorrow we play with Russia and not from Brazil. From Russia we play is always better. Poland is not a favorite. If anyone thinks that the judges helped Poland today is stupid. Judges are simply pathetic. Throughout the tournament, they present themselves very poorly. Not only in today's match.
I want to emphasize Kurek play of the match. He is always at the end of the match committed silly mistakes. Kurek won us the match today. Bravo Bartosz!
HenriqueCLT - I remember many of your words. I can not forget you?) You are unique. I think you have been many times on TV?) And once again I agree with you. Ignaczak is the best in the Polish national team. Yours you and Zyta!
Referees making mistakes for both sides- not only for Polish advantages.
I don't blame them for it: it is very hard to notice some situations- especialy when crowd screaming. Nowadays should be videoverification or challange (like in tennis). Referees are just to old to notice some situations in this tournament- they were choosen badly.
i am still thinking that unjust judgement is possible tonight and i'll explain you why if you don't understand.
hospitable poles made really huge contribution into this tournament. i'm not talking about the bribes, i mean high-level organisation costs and effords.
everyone including judges understand that polish volleybal federation and fans must be anyhow rewarded.
i'm not blaming nither players nor even referees for that,because situation is understandable
but i'm worried about tonight game,and i hope you understand me,as well.
I really hope that this match will be "the student that teach the master"
edit: I mean Argentina-Brazil ?
I think that Russia deserve the final, only one defeat in the whole international tournament and no defeat in the second pool, that shoudl be rewarned, but as always it's all up to them ?
BTW I will be pleased if Anastasi will manage to win, 'cause at WCH he couldn't..
If you want to win, you need Balkan atmosphere in the hall. Watch our games with Russia in Varna and learn ? You can make them do errors, that's your chance - to be more concentrated than them
Someone, bravo, you have to!! I mean, you need to believe they can do this!! Who can trust in the guys if Polish fans don't?
Hope is always welcome.
I feel always that I have to trust my guys no matter what!
For me, Facu has to be named or MVP or best spiker. One to him and one to Kthei. I will prefer MVP to Facu *.*
And De Cecco best setter.
May be is too soon to speak about that because there are other two matches, but I hope it will happen!
For obviuos reason I would like to see Travica best server, because he did a wonderful job with his serve in this WL, but I think it will be hard considering he will have two match less than others players (like Muserskiy or Mikhaylov, for ex)...
Best libero? IMO in the last two matches Sergio wasn't so brilliant as usual... May be Ignaczak? I don't know the liberos well...
Best receiver, probably Murilo...
Best blocker, ?
Best scorer: Kurek is on the right way.
How exactly they give the awards? only according to the statistic? And statistic of the whole world league or statistic of the final8?
Jrios, at the beginning I thought the same, but since a lot of Polish complaint about referees too - and they are used to this TV broadcasting, I think - it can't be an explanation.
And the point is: because referees are human and it's normal they can make mistakes or have a doubt, if we have the technology to avoid that kind of mistake or to solve doubtful situations, we have to use it. Or is there someone that like to be unfair between the referees, orsomeone that like misjudgments between staff and players? I don't think so.
Btw there were also mistakes that I (and not only I) could noticed the first time with the classic camera, or at least I had the doubt, so the same could have done referees and line-judges. It's normal they don't noticed one fingers touching the ball blocking ann attack, but there was worst mistake (like people touching the antenna, for ex)
About Brazil, personally speaking I'm not understimating them, I'm just bored they win always, and first of all I really like Argentina, so I won't cheers for them (Brazil), but that doesn't mean I think they aren't favourite to get the final, because they are. But I won't be surprised if Argentina will managed to win, that's it. I'm looking foward for it ? May be they will lose 3-0, it's possible, but at the moment they have the potential to make Brazil sweat for the final ?
Russia definitly deserve the final (they are very good and they lost only 1 match until now), but to me Argentinians are playing the most enjoyable volley, so they may deserve the first place even more than Russia. Hard that it will happen, but I hope it will ?
Chrison, who's quote is this and why do you bring it into the conversation? I suppose you know that it is unrelated to my thesis. Poland must force Russia to make mistakes in order to win. Russians have more spikers, better serve and block, and now they have good defense. Only the best Polish team could beat them otherwise
You know what - everything I say is facts and arguments. I don't claim things I can't prove. I am mathematician and although we both have bias, I can defend my thesis. That's the big difference between the emotional fan boy and the grown man. When I say that Kaziyski received well, he actually received well. When I say he was not serious, he was not. We got stats, videos, reasoning behind this. I and don't think that our guys are the best of the best, I dream that they can be. A lot of them are great in their clubs, but together they underperform. Do you know why? Because they are not complete players, and the team is not balanced. How nationalist is that statement, passive - aggressive friend of yours?
And yes, you need Balkan atmosphere. You need aggresive public to whistle Russian serve and to support your team even when they play bad, never stopping to shout and make the noise go high. That's the spirit. One more thing - Russians always think about us as their puppy and they always want to beat us badly, but we got what we wanted with the second squad, with best players out of form and with no reception at all. When the facts speak, let the fens be silent
What a match!!! But what a pity that Argentinians lost the second set, they were amazing, unfortunally the made too many errors at serve at the end, so they made few present to Brazilians. Fortunally Argentinians reception of jump-flot improved a bit
Lesson of volleyball from both team about "what to do with a difficult set" *___*
I have several times said that Theo is better than Vissotto. He now proves it.
I think that Brazil the basic composition with Vissotto and this match could still go on.
JRios, last year Bugaria as a quality of volleyball was in top 4, very little lacked for the medals, not only the Italian help for Serbia or the scheme in the WCH and Brazil's cheating, the little in Bulgarian heads. My prognosis is that Stoychev will not fail, I think he understands the situation better than you and me ( much better than me )
Btw, it's arrogant to say that Stoychev is "good". Like to say Rezende is "very good"
Congratulations for Russia. We played good, but You were out of range for us today. I can be unpopular but I hope You win with Brazil tomorrow. GO RUSSIA, GO!!!
Congratulations for Russia?) Polish team surprised me. They played very well. It was an exchange of blows on serves. Muserskiy destroyed us. It was the best game Polish Team in this world league. Russia tomorrow must play better. I think Brazil will win but Tomorrow I am fan of Russia.
I wonder who could be MVP. Candidate was Khtei but he played poorly today. Maybe Mikhaylov? Or Theo?
By serving float aces out in predictable sequence, by attacking block in a way they didn't against us and Italy, by keeping the distance with Poland (while they had all main players on court) so tight that Polish players could feel their breath at their necks. Very, very clever players, team, coach! Much smarter than Bulgarian, Polish and Italian players. And Facundo Conte is a big star!
If you had half of my arrogance you would have 1/10th of your arrogance ?
As I already said many times, Stoychev is not the best coach in the world. Rezende is. But Stoychev is among the best with no doubts. Only he or Rezende can make Bulgaria winner and Rezende won't come, so he is the natural choice for us. With Prandi we played better, but didn't won important games, even when for Brazil it didn't matter. Now with players out of shape and missing players we are in top 5 and it is our fault that we are not in top 4. I can see the improvement. Would it be enough? I don't know. Our players need to get smarter ASAP
JRios - if the Kurek will be MVP this mockery.It is impossible. MVP is a player the team that wins the tournament. That has always been. I would like to Conte was MVP because he plays best, but it also does not believe it.
few Muserskij aces + 90% in spike Mikhaylov= 4th part won by Russia
chrison, i love this laola commentator, he is the best;d
a tak poza tym to w meczu otwarcia - Rosji z USA komentował Irek Mazur z kimś jeszcze - oni bardzo fajnie to robią, powinni być komentatorami na większej ilości meczy.
Rachel - I really like Brazil. This is one of my favorite teams but I would like to eventually someone else won. But I still think that Brazil will win tomorrow?) If Brazil wins, I will be happy.
qsek - najlepiej komentuje Tomasz Wójtowicz! To jest dopiero wymiatacz. Przez cały mecz tylko potwierdza słowa drugiego komentatora.
Tak na poważnie bardzo mądrze mówi Irek Mazur. Drzyzga też ma dużo do powiedzenia na temat siatkówki ale chłop jakoś nie przypadł mi do gustu. To jeśli chodzi o ekspertów. Z komentatorów najbardziej lubię Krzysztofa Wanio. Mimo, że często gada głupoty to przy jego komentarzu nie można się nudzić. Najlepiej to zatrudnić Dębowskiego z TVP. Z nim to nawet 3 Liga byłaby emocjonująca.
raylight, Bulgaria isnt in top 5 now in the world, sorry ...USA and italy are muhc better, even poland is better, to not mention Argentina...
good match by poland today, better by russia ofc ?
Roninho, what you say, Khtei played today good match, (true-he get few blocks)many attack block-out, many through the block, graet tachincally player
" Bulgaria isnt in top 5 now in the world, sorry ...USA and italy are muhc better, even poland is better, to not mention Argentina..." Please explain that, support it with evidence and so on
You can't say "exactly". you purposely misquoted me, so I want your excuse. This is not rational conversation. I don't participate if it is not rational or at least rationalized.
"Chrison, will you tolerate Jrios's personal insults, he is acting like Henrique?"
ok.ok chrison banned HenriqueCLT - I forgave him. But as he banned JRios I do not forgive! ?) You remember - Henrique is the only one - the Brazilian.
Henrique - what you feel after the semi-final matches?
After Olympcis 2004, Bernarndo wrote the book "Transformando suor em ouro".
All his knowledge and experience, as a player, as a coach and as a human being, is showned in this book. I really suggest you guys to kiij fir a translated version of it, you'll love it
"I wonder who could be MVP. Candidate was Khtei but he played poorly today. Maybe Mikhaylov? Or Theo?"
we discuss about it few page ago ?, I saw that after this post you suggested Conte, and I agree ?
Kurek is on the right way to won the prize as best scorer, but as MVP I would prefer Conte, is simply too wonderful to watch*.*
But imo one between Mikhaylov or Kthei deserve/can achieve an award (best spiker? or may be MVP, because the fact of playing in the final will help them? but I still prefer Conte)... So to me best scorer/best spiker/MVP should be a question between these 4 players ? (or Theo, but I prefer the others?
And what about the other awards in your opinion? ?
*checking the stats on FIVB about the final8:
- best scorer will really probably be one between Kurek88, Conte79 or Mikhalov76;
- best server will probably be Musersky...Kurek has some chance but Musersky did 10 aces with 15 faults (av 0.71), Kurek 8 with 23 (av 0,47)...
- best spikers are now in the order Theo60%, Facu56%, Mikhaylov54%, Kthei53%. Kurek is a bit far (I was surprised, honestly), 11th with 47%, but still had a chance (as Murilo, 47%)
ps: raylight you can't say that a team is a cheater because the fact they lost prevent Bulgaria to reach smth =.=
Listen Zorzi comment about Weber decision about Poland-Argentina, he called him "smart". Thinking about what happen to Parodi in meaningless match vs Trento, I'm glad that Weber let his guys rest for a bit.
Кк15,it is not about resting players, everybody does it, including Bulgaria. It is about carefully executed plan from the stronger team to give entertainment to the host and they finally decided to loose. I don't want to offend anybody, Argentina is in top 3 right now in this moment as a quality of play, e.g. they were stronger than Poland, Bulgaria and Italy. This will change when Poland and Bulgaria have first lineups with all players in shape.
P.S. Although Argentina is the stronger team, Poland can beat them, they have host advantage. I cheer for Poland!
P.S. Anyone surprised how good is Theo? Brazil starting to play Eastern European volleyball, with the opposite as the main gun ?
The most beautyful volleyabll in this WL plays argentina, brazil started playing with o opposite as a maian player in 2009 when visotto joined team and young came to play in NT, unfortunately it is not the same brazil like 2002-07
Wowow Wanio Dębowski it must be strong irony.. Comments like "Świderski binds his shoes", "Lozano eat sweets" it's ridicolus but it's not worst. The worst is when they are hoping who scored the point(which team).. when it's common know from quite longl moment (showned in TV and said by speaker). What's more they even don't know the volleyball rules.. Is that TV commentator should be? In polish TV Mazur is the best and I still have hope that Dacewicz get his chance soon.
I know we have already a lot of movies with Polish anthem, but can someone upload anthem from Ergo Arena this year and at least send me link form YT in private message?
Guys, I would like to anyone here made a movie, not about a player, a team or a match, but for the TV transmission during this WL finals. The POLSAT TV job during this is beyond my expectations (which were alreay high)
I guess I was overestimating Argentina. They took Us and Italy bu surprise, but now Poland play very well against them. May be their predictable behaviour in the third match vs Poland was due to inexperience, not to scheme and conspiracy.
JRios, you can't say that you argue, when you don't use arguments and insult me instead. Trust me, I needed a lot of will not to answer you the way you do and to continue to communicate relatively normally.
Anastazi did great job with Poland, he had time to prepare them for the finals, because they are hosts and he gathered the data from our defeat and the defeat of Italy and now Argentina don't look very strong, when the opponent is being strong too.
raylight, we didn't overstimated Argentina, and yesterday match proof it. But now as jernej said they just fell apart, they are not showing their best volleyball, they are playing very slowly in defense and not incisivly in attack, their communication is not working, their best players (Facu and De Cecco) aren't making the difference. It's like a deja vù to me, the same happend to Italy... It's happen, unfortunally.
btw please stop talkining about conspiracy!!!!
Poland is simply wonderful to watch today, they are keeping smiling and enjoying playing all the time, compliments, I didn't expect that level. Kurek is playing so well and so smart, Jarosz is not missing a kill and everyone is doing everything to keep the ball alive. good job!!
"Argentina don't look very strong, when the opponent is being strong too. "
Yes, because Brazil isn't strong =.=
Last time vs Poland they lost because they wanted to lost in your opinion, now you decided that everytime they won they did it because they were lucky or smth like this... please, don't disrispect this team.
But I keep telling: Poland is playing GREAT. I'm loving them today.
You can not say that Argentina played poorly. Poland had very good service, defense and block. I am very happy that finally we have a medal. I did not expect. In 2007. better composition we have not gained a medal.
I have a question. The statistics are changes in the FIVB. Statistics are counted unless the semifinals?
What a wonderful Poland today! My compliments! Honestly I didn't expected such a great match from them, but they kept smiling and trying to keep the ball alive every action, an incredible performance!!! ?
these two days they really demontraded they deserved to be in final4, something I wasn't such before ?
Of course I felt pity for Argentina, not actually because they lost but because they didn't play with the spirit I was used too, btw this Poland really deserved so I can't avoid smiling. Also because I perfectly now what means being in the hall when your team is playing the 3rd-4th final, so I'm glad that the Polish fans was delighted by their NT and didn't have to soffer as we did at WCH last year ?
Ps: now I'm thinking: I DON'T wanna know the answer to the question "How is possible that Anastasi reach in few months with Poland what he didn't reach with Italy in 4 years?!" ehehehe ?
Kk15 - You remember, however, that this tournament was in Poland. Poland had it easier. I think that if the tournament was in Italy, you fight for a medal.
Jernej94 - no problem. I have not spoken to you but in general. You're right, Jarosz had matches of life?) I hope that in Latina learns to play like today. Silvano Prandi should help him.
The best moments in this match : Michal Kubiak lie on the dance floor and Ignaczak runs to him and they lie together. Very nice!
Kk15 Anastasi can prepare a team perfectly in terms of physics and tactic but beside our success I think he is bad in chosing the right players for lineup and sometimes lacks a substitions in match.
Conte, Pereyra and Quiroga(receive) fired ? and Polish defense was so wonderful. Arg was my favourite but Poland deserved that today!!! So wish you great experience at 20:00 ?
Kk15, obviously I was wrong. I wrote that, but may be you didn't see it. I don't believe in conspiracy now. Argentina were very good against inexperienced Italy and half-hearted Bulgaria, they stopped their weapons - serve and block and they got the results. Poland showed how to play against them, well done! Congratulations to the Polish public for the medal ?
Oh, I forgot he will play in Latina! So I wish him to play great in Latina, but if possible not when Latina will play vs Rome ? (It's an old rivalities, I can't stand losing vs Latina xD)
@oioi: I was just kidding about the Anastasi-question ?, I actually didn't expect any answer ?
Too Sad about Conte not awarded, but Kurek was total leader of Poland!!!! Deserved that. About best spiker I disagree. Khtei or Conte deserve this. Dont lynch me about that :-)
Congratulations to Russia! :] And... I just have to say it. National anthem of Russia is probably the most beautiful one (in my opinion of course :]) and it was just amazing when it was played at the end of ceremony... this anthem fits soo well to champions and to Russians in general! Hope someone agrees with me and will upload it cause I'd like to see it once again ?
JRios I would like to know what you expected from Italy if they - getting the last place in the pool - went over your aspectative xD
following your legend, from me a big + for Poland and Argentina ?
My bet at beginning was F4: BRA, RUS in Final and ARG, USA. So best surprise for me is Poland and quite Cuba, without Simon I thought, that Cuba ends in the intercontinental round so Cuba quite surprised and the biggest dissapointment was Serbia in league.
Poland won much more than the medal from this tournament - respect, money, ranking, recognition.
About Bulgaria - definitely worse than expected in final eight. Getting there was better than expected, but failing to go to the semifinal was worse than they can. Especially Kaziyski had during all tournament the spike efficiency of 14 year old girl, only 50% of his capabilities. Todorov was playing not well too, before the match with Italy, and he makes the difference in equal game. Losing from Poland after 25:14 in the third set was something, that shouldn't happen. Poland played very well, especially semifinal and small final, but this game we could have won it.
I would give Brazil - too, because they made too many mistakes at the final. Russia made 7 more and still won. Too bad Dante was not on court, they needed powerful spiker for the sideout.
I'm happy for Russians, they are definitely the best team in this edition, considering group phase and the final. And Luciano!
Pity for Argentina a little bit, as they played great group phase, anyway Quiro said it's because it was their first match for medal in WL in this young squad and they put pressure on themselves, they need to learn how to stand this pressure and next time they will try to win medal. Lack of experience - that's what they missed.
Giba said Russia starting change their style, playing more with technique, not only with strength and Brazilians must learn how to play with Russia now.
Congratulations to Russian team, coaches and fans. We do deserve this big VICTORY. Our young players made a great progress in game with so amazing team like Brasil. They played great, but ours played better ;-)
I hope that final title of medal ceremony "To be continued...".
Good luck for both treams!!!
Everybody forgotten about great Giba, he was playing like 5 years ago 2006-07; same dynamic same style, I didnt think he can ever can come back to that shape
thanks everyone for your support,to be honest, i didn't expect so many Poles to support russia,it was a VERY pleasant surprise, really))))
thank you guys sincerelly))
special thaks for polish DJ for their music choice during the match)))
Russia is the most probable champion, but Poland or Bulgaria or Czech Republic could take the title under the right circumstances. Russia still commits many errors and their block is not used optimally. If they can clear that too, they can be almost invincible. Almost, because of the element of randomness in life.
I agree oioi, I'll be worried about France, expecially if Ngapeth will be back. And I expect from Serbia more than they showed in this WL. And I expect smth good from Czech republic too...
Btw, raylight, I know it sounds not objective from me (I'm not sure I can be as objetive as I would like to be, unfortunally), but I think (and I definitly hope) Italy can be in the list you made up... I don't know if you don't think it or if you didn't considered that, I'd like to know your opinion ?
Italy needs players like Mastrangelo and Fei to complete their roster. They have great OHs, very good libero and setter, but Opposite and MB are weaker in comparison with other teams. With complete roster Italy can win medal, without it is possible, but less probable. It depends from the scheme of the tournament very much, unfortunately
Kk15 I forgot to add Italy, they can be dangerous too, but Spiker is the biggest unknown. We'll see if Lasko will be able to lead this team. Playing on three OH (Savani, Parodi, Zaytsev) like Piacenza wouldn't be a bad idea.
Russian's fans at the final match were fantastics too. My ears still hurts!!! Gratulations for the team ? Someone notice than confetti were green like Brazil's national flag? Russia suprised a lot of people ?
? I really really hope we will get the semifinal, I thought we were so close this time, and I was so sorry because we couldn't...
I read that Mastro will train with the team this summer. Parodi is still a question mark, but if he will be ready to play as titoular I think we will use him, Zaytsev and Savani instead of 2 OHs + 1 opposite.
BTW I probably enjoyed Buti more than Birarelli (at least in the last part... and not in serve), but I think it depend mostly on the fact that Buti played in club with Travica so they play better togheter than Travica and Bira.
I also read that Boninfante (he was only in the 25s list, not in the 20s) will train with the team, probably because Berruto thought that we may need a setter with more experience that can be able to replace Travica if he lose lucidity... (Vermiglio will never be back to play as second).
Gueys when, what and where will be the nearest international turnament with diffrent national volleyball teams? (In Poland Memoriał Hubarta Wagnera in start of August?)
thx @raylight and have you got information about TV online transmition? Is that tournament, will be aviable to watch in real time in the Internet?
May someone have any other information about other volleyball competitions?
European championship is going to be tough, i'm sure teams like italy,serbia,bulgaria or poland can get stronger motivation for it, than for world league and fight better for medals
well anyway, the more difficult-the more interesting))
JRios likes to make quialifications of other people. The arrogant sees the arrogance in the others // that makes me too arrogant, cause I see his arrogance ?)
Доигровщик сборной Бразилии Жиба выразил мнение, что команда России не может считаться претендентом на победу в нынешнем розыгрыше Мировой лиги.
«Разумеется, фаворитом является Бразилия, – сказал Жиба «Российской газете». – Россия? Нет, ну что вы, мне действительно смешно. Неужели вы верите в чудеса, и Россия сможет обыграть Бразилию? Напрасно. Победим мы, бразильцы! Я в этом нисколько не сомневаюсь».
В «Финале восьми» Мировой лиги сборные России и Бразилии были определены в группу с командами Кубы и США.
Blame them. May be they distorted the facts. It's quite possible. I was too surprised by the words of Giba. He may be arrogant and agressive like most of the winners in sport, but definetely not stupid and I think he is Christian. He knows what happenes when you talk like that. Probably the news are false
Kate,I hope now in every championship there will be new winner. ECH one team, Wcup another, 2012 WL another and the Olympics another. It will be good for the sport to have tighter competition and not to know in advance the victors ?
The new top10 of the FIVB ranking: Brasile 205, Russia 161, Usa 134, Italia 131,5, Serbia 119,5, Cuba 118,5, Bulgaria 113,5, Polonia 102,5, Argentina 89,5, Germania 64,5.
raylight Giba or any other Brazilian can think what they want, but they will always say something diplomatic. For example when Rezende is in Poland, he always mention Poland as a one of the main opponents on the way for certain title/qualification to London etc. It was the same here, in Gdansk. Then when NT arrived to Brazil he mentioned as the main opponents Russia, USA or Argentina, probably I missed one team, but there was no Poland. So even if Giba thinks no one can win with them, he would never say this at laud, just because of respect for the opponent.
What the hell happened to us??? We did too many stupid thing, how many conter-attack they let us we didn't use!! I can't explain this.
I mean, Bulgaria played great, we played bad, referees stolen us points in the most important moments, and beside that we were always so close.. Why we didn't managed to did few thing a little bit better and avoid this end??
? ?
Now, go Argentina. Facu I want you MVP of the WL.
@raylight, coupleSSSS of errors. only one for Bulgaria, I think. Last time I regretted in general the referees because they did lot of errors on both side, this time I feel really mad about this.
(still hope in my heart, haha)
@Kk15 I agree with you, Go Argentina!
Before this game I thought: I'm glad is all up to us, I belived we could reach this semifinal and we could do this by our own, so we will have what we deserve: if we will win, that will be the proof we deserve to be in semifinal, if we will lost that will mean we don't, because we are not ready for this.
Now it's hard to handle the result of this match ç_ç
http://www.volleyball.it/redazione/index.php?action=viewArticle&articleId=64667
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De Cecco <3
Look at them now, are you still trying to tell me they're cheating?
Considering ARG is a young team and supposing they're thinking about the bronze (like you said), what would be best: face BUL that they destroyed or POL who has 10,000 ppl to support them?
Argentina don't have nothing to fight for, exept one meaningless victory. I would prefer them to playing better, of course, but they won 2 matches and thanks to this they get the first place, so "earned" the chance to let someone rest. While Poland has 18.000 people cheering for them and a real reason to win. (the same was in matches Russia vs Bulgaria and Italy vs Cuba, who had a better reason to win, won)
"They think that Poland will be better for the bronze medal match than Bulgaria."
They beat Bulgaria 3-0, so I don't think is such a big problem for them. Beside Poland plays at home, so is probbaly to be considered tougher than Bulgaria.
"1 Luciano De Cecco = 50 x Łukasz Żygadło"
Agree
I'm glad I can see Nico plays for a while, btw. He is far from being as good as De Cecco, but I ilke him playing in Argentinian NT ?
Edit: so sure that Argentina don't want to win? ? 2-2
BTW, I really hope they will beat Brazil. That would be awsome!! So, no problem about the bronze match xD
Yes, Kk15, I have a child ?
(both Uriarte and you having a child xD)
About Uriarte, lot of people criticazed him in M.Roma last season (between the fans). I like him, he is not a genius but he is quite smart, good block and serve, and imo nice set too. What he lacked in Rome was leadership, smth that a setter has to have I think, but that's normal considering he was the younger player etc... So I prefer him in Argentina NT because he is more "free", playing between other youngs (and close firends). Look at how many times he set to MBs, he didn't do it so often in Rome ?
just can belive this, haha what a big luck ??
BTW, that a wird pool... Argentina won vs Italy that won vs Poland that won vs Argentina; Italy won vs Poland that won vs Bulgaria that won vs Italy etc.... what a mess xD
Kk15 Uriarte have a child? O.o he's young
"Greetings from Gdansk! I’m almost voiceless as I was supporting Poland against Argentina with my friend Zyta. My kindest regards to my friends Roninho and Saku… Roninho, I heard you can’t forget me, and you’ve been looking for me on TV. Maybe I should send you a picture. Keep looking for me, don’t give up… LOL
I’m happy Bulgaria was kicked out of the semis. Well done, Poles! Ignaczak rocks, he’s the best player on your NT.
Remember I told you about the Argentineans? It’s happening. Conte, De Cecco and their mates are great. They’re on the right track to get a medal in London 2012.
I won’t say anything about Brazil. They keep winning, getting titles… So boring... Someday Cameroon will end this and start a new volleyball age.
So my friend Raylight is a father! Please, send me your address and email through Zyta and I’ll send you a present. Meet you next year in Sofia. Hope your NT gets better, once Bulgaria was just a party crasher at the 2011 WL finals.
Cheers,
Henrique, your favourite Brazilian of all time. ;-);-)
P.S.: Polish supporters are awesome. It’s amazing how they love volleyball. After seeing all these Poles cheering, I kinda regret the bad things I said to the Polaco kids. Well, a little bit… LOL"
xD I meant that "so cute" was referred both to Uriarte and to raylight having a child! Uriarte is 21, I think it's a little bit soon ?
I want to emphasize Kurek play of the match. He is always at the end of the match committed silly mistakes. Kurek won us the match today. Bravo Bartosz!
HenriqueCLT - I remember many of your words. I can not forget you?) You are unique. I think you have been many times on TV?) And once again I agree with you. Ignaczak is the best in the Polish national team. Yours you and Zyta!
Michal, in Bulgaria we call the CH4 "първак". If you don't get it off the rakia and drink it later, this song happens http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGK00Q7xx-s
www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_sXbAcFc6w&feature=player_embedded
Radames Lattari, coaches of Brazil, was exonerated.
In 28 edition (since 1951) on the Sudamerican chamionship, Brazil won 27 times. in 1964 Argentina got the title. That year Brazil didn't partecipate.
This afternoon we will see the "Clasico" another time.
I really hope it will end like 11 years ago :D
Vamos Argentina!!!
http://chepalle.gazzetta.it/post/23044776/cordoba-3-il-clasico --> a very nice article about "Il Calsico", it's one year old (it speaks about the Clasico of last WL in Cordoba) but it's the perfect article to read today. :D
I don't blame them for it: it is very hard to notice some situations- especialy when crowd screaming. Nowadays should be videoverification or challange (like in tennis). Referees are just to old to notice some situations in this tournament- they were choosen badly.
hospitable poles made really huge contribution into this tournament. i'm not talking about the bribes, i mean high-level organisation costs and effords.
everyone including judges understand that polish volleybal federation and fans must be anyhow rewarded.
i'm not blaming nither players nor even referees for that,because situation is understandable
but i'm worried about tonight game,and i hope you understand me,as well.
edit: I mean Argentina-Brazil ?
I think that Russia deserve the final, only one defeat in the whole international tournament and no defeat in the second pool, that shoudl be rewarned, but as always it's all up to them ?
BTW I will be pleased if Anastasi will manage to win, 'cause at WCH he couldn't..
2.Argentina
3.Poland
4.Brazil
how do you think, possible?;d
and who do you think will be MVP?
i think that Taras Chtiej deserve, if he still will play on his high level.
Hope is always welcome.
I feel always that I have to trust my guys no matter what!
For me, Facu has to be named or MVP or best spiker. One to him and one to Kthei. I will prefer MVP to Facu *.*
And De Cecco best setter.
May be is too soon to speak about that because there are other two matches, but I hope it will happen!
For obviuos reason I would like to see Travica best server, because he did a wonderful job with his serve in this WL, but I think it will be hard considering he will have two match less than others players (like Muserskiy or Mikhaylov, for ex)...
Best libero? IMO in the last two matches Sergio wasn't so brilliant as usual... May be Ignaczak? I don't know the liberos well...
Best receiver, probably Murilo...
Best blocker, ?
Best scorer: Kurek is on the right way.
How exactly they give the awards? only according to the statistic? And statistic of the whole world league or statistic of the final8?
i'm sure that awards are only for f8, and players doesn't have any awards for intercontinental round.
And the point is: because referees are human and it's normal they can make mistakes or have a doubt, if we have the technology to avoid that kind of mistake or to solve doubtful situations, we have to use it. Or is there someone that like to be unfair between the referees, orsomeone that like misjudgments between staff and players? I don't think so.
Btw there were also mistakes that I (and not only I) could noticed the first time with the classic camera, or at least I had the doubt, so the same could have done referees and line-judges. It's normal they don't noticed one fingers touching the ball blocking ann attack, but there was worst mistake (like people touching the antenna, for ex)
About Brazil, personally speaking I'm not understimating them, I'm just bored they win always, and first of all I really like Argentina, so I won't cheers for them (Brazil), but that doesn't mean I think they aren't favourite to get the final, because they are. But I won't be surprised if Argentina will managed to win, that's it. I'm looking foward for it ? May be they will lose 3-0, it's possible, but at the moment they have the potential to make Brazil sweat for the final ?
Russia definitly deserve the final (they are very good and they lost only 1 match until now), but to me Argentinians are playing the most enjoyable volley, so they may deserve the first place even more than Russia. Hard that it will happen, but I hope it will ?
Lesson of volleyball from both team about "what to do with a difficult set" *___*
CONTE is an amazing player.
I think that Brazil the basic composition with Vissotto and this match could still go on.
my congradulations to team brazil)
Btw, it's arrogant to say that Stoychev is "good". Like to say Rezende is "very good"
thanks team poland for the game,it was really tough and entertaining)
I wonder who could be MVP. Candidate was Khtei but he played poorly today. Maybe Mikhaylov? Or Theo?
As I already said many times, Stoychev is not the best coach in the world. Rezende is. But Stoychev is among the best with no doubts. Only he or Rezende can make Bulgaria winner and Rezende won't come, so he is the natural choice for us. With Prandi we played better, but didn't won important games, even when for Brazil it didn't matter. Now with players out of shape and missing players we are in top 5 and it is our fault that we are not in top 4. I can see the improvement. Would it be enough? I don't know. Our players need to get smarter ASAP
PS. Thank you for your kind words about Poland?
chrison, i love this laola commentator, he is the best;d
a tak poza tym to w meczu otwarcia - Rosji z USA komentował Irek Mazur z kimś jeszcze - oni bardzo fajnie to robią, powinni być komentatorami na większej ilości meczy.
Tak na poważnie bardzo mądrze mówi Irek Mazur. Drzyzga też ma dużo do powiedzenia na temat siatkówki ale chłop jakoś nie przypadł mi do gustu. To jeśli chodzi o ekspertów. Z komentatorów najbardziej lubię Krzysztofa Wanio. Mimo, że często gada głupoty to przy jego komentarzu nie można się nudzić. Najlepiej to zatrudnić Dębowskiego z TVP. Z nim to nawet 3 Liga byłaby emocjonująca.
good match by poland today, better by russia ofc ?
Roninho, what you say, Khtei played today good match, (true-he get few blocks)many attack block-out, many through the block, graet tachincally player
ok.ok chrison banned HenriqueCLT - I forgave him. But as he banned JRios I do not forgive! ?) You remember - Henrique is the only one - the Brazilian.
Henrique - what you feel after the semi-final matches?
BTW, We'll win tomorrow......eahehehehhe.
PS: For the MVP, my votes goes to Kurek or Conte
Like it soo much that you probaly haven't idea of how much Brazil NT's Players train.
As an example, after the 3x2 against CUBA last thursday, they went right after the match from Ergo Arena to the Gynasium to do some work out
Message from Henrique:
"You should stop using my sacred name in vain or you will go to hell.
Roninho I'm so bored. I think I'm gonna support Russia tomorrow just for a change."
Regards from us two form Gdansk!
All his knowledge and experience, as a player, as a coach and as a human being, is showned in this book. I really suggest you guys to kiij fir a translated version of it, you'll love it
we discuss about it few page ago ?, I saw that after this post you suggested Conte, and I agree ?
Kurek is on the right way to won the prize as best scorer, but as MVP I would prefer Conte, is simply too wonderful to watch*.*
But imo one between Mikhaylov or Kthei deserve/can achieve an award (best spiker? or may be MVP, because the fact of playing in the final will help them? but I still prefer Conte)... So to me best scorer/best spiker/MVP should be a question between these 4 players ? (or Theo, but I prefer the others?
And what about the other awards in your opinion? ?
*checking the stats on FIVB about the final8:
- best scorer will really probably be one between Kurek88, Conte79 or Mikhalov76;
- best server will probably be Musersky...Kurek has some chance but Musersky did 10 aces with 15 faults (av 0.71), Kurek 8 with 23 (av 0,47)...
- best spikers are now in the order Theo60%, Facu56%, Mikhaylov54%, Kthei53%. Kurek is a bit far (I was surprised, honestly), 11th with 47%, but still had a chance (as Murilo, 47%)
ps: raylight you can't say that a team is a cheater because the fact they lost prevent Bulgaria to reach smth =.=
Listen Zorzi comment about Weber decision about Poland-Argentina, he called him "smart". Thinking about what happen to Parodi in meaningless match vs Trento, I'm glad that Weber let his guys rest for a bit.
P.S. Although Argentina is the stronger team, Poland can beat them, they have host advantage. I cheer for Poland!
P.S. Anyone surprised how good is Theo? Brazil starting to play Eastern European volleyball, with the opposite as the main gun ?
btw please stop talkining about conspiracy!!!!
Poland is simply wonderful to watch today, they are keeping smiling and enjoying playing all the time, compliments, I didn't expect that level. Kurek is playing so well and so smart, Jarosz is not missing a kill and everyone is doing everything to keep the ball alive. good job!!
Yes, because Brazil isn't strong =.=
Last time vs Poland they lost because they wanted to lost in your opinion, now you decided that everytime they won they did it because they were lucky or smth like this... please, don't disrispect this team.
But I keep telling: Poland is playing GREAT. I'm loving them today.
I have a question. The statistics are changes in the FIVB. Statistics are counted unless the semifinals?
these two days they really demontraded they deserved to be in final4, something I wasn't such before ?
Of course I felt pity for Argentina, not actually because they lost but because they didn't play with the spirit I was used too, btw this Poland really deserved so I can't avoid smiling. Also because I perfectly now what means being in the hall when your team is playing the 3rd-4th final, so I'm glad that the Polish fans was delighted by their NT and didn't have to soffer as we did at WCH last year ?
Ps: now I'm thinking: I DON'T wanna know the answer to the question "How is possible that Anastasi reach in few months with Poland what he didn't reach with Italy in 4 years?!" ehehehe ?
Jernej94 - no problem. I have not spoken to you but in general. You're right, Jarosz had matches of life?) I hope that in Latina learns to play like today. Silvano Prandi should help him.
The best moments in this match : Michal Kubiak lie on the dance floor and Ignaczak runs to him and they lie together. Very nice!
Oh, I forgot he will play in Latina! So I wish him to play great in Latina, but if possible not when Latina will play vs Rome ? (It's an old rivalities, I can't stand losing vs Latina xD)
@oioi: I was just kidding about the Anastasi-question ?, I actually didn't expect any answer ?
@Roninho: thanks?
Kk15 I just wanted to tell what hurts me, anyway a great coach.
graet match till now 1:1
What a defense by Volkov right now!
Congratulations, Europe! 2:0 vs South America ?
I CANT BREATHE!
IM HAPPY!!!
URAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Mikhaylov was outstanding *.*
I guess he will be the MVP
uh, he is the only one not from the podium...
BTW I agree with all this award exept Theo. I don't care what stats say, I think there are better spikers...
NXT i don't know is it the best anthem in the world but it sound very nice?
following your legend, from me a big + for Poland and Argentina ?
About Bulgaria - definitely worse than expected in final eight. Getting there was better than expected, but failing to go to the semifinal was worse than they can. Especially Kaziyski had during all tournament the spike efficiency of 14 year old girl, only 50% of his capabilities. Todorov was playing not well too, before the match with Italy, and he makes the difference in equal game. Losing from Poland after 25:14 in the third set was something, that shouldn't happen. Poland played very well, especially semifinal and small final, but this game we could have won it.
I would give Brazil - too, because they made too many mistakes at the final. Russia made 7 more and still won. Too bad Dante was not on court, they needed powerful spiker for the sideout.
Pity for Argentina a little bit, as they played great group phase, anyway Quiro said it's because it was their first match for medal in WL in this young squad and they put pressure on themselves, they need to learn how to stand this pressure and next time they will try to win medal. Lack of experience - that's what they missed.
Giba said Russia starting change their style, playing more with technique, not only with strength and Brazilians must learn how to play with Russia now.
I hope that final title of medal ceremony "To be continued...".
Good luck for both treams!!!
denis biryukov and sasha butko are heroes!))
thank you guys sincerelly))
special thaks for polish DJ for their music choice during the match)))
kisforkate, i thought it's Alexander, not Sasha Butko;p
NightFox actually without Nikki you will be fine, Yosifov and Todorov can handle that.
What about Miljkovic is he returning to the Serbian NT?
Btw, raylight, I know it sounds not objective from me (I'm not sure I can be as objetive as I would like to be, unfortunally), but I think (and I definitly hope) Italy can be in the list you made up... I don't know if you don't think it or if you didn't considered that, I'd like to know your opinion ?
I read that Mastro will train with the team this summer. Parodi is still a question mark, but if he will be ready to play as titoular I think we will use him, Zaytsev and Savani instead of 2 OHs + 1 opposite.
BTW I probably enjoyed Buti more than Birarelli (at least in the last part... and not in serve), but I think it depend mostly on the fact that Buti played in club with Travica so they play better togheter than Travica and Bira.
I also read that Boninfante (he was only in the 25s list, not in the 20s) will train with the team, probably because Berruto thought that we may need a setter with more experience that can be able to replace Travica if he lose lucidity... (Vermiglio will never be back to play as second).
May someone have any other information about other volleyball competitions?
show me source and exactly quote, as far as I used to read a lot of interviews with guys from BRA I don't believe he would say sth like this.
European championship is going to be tough, i'm sure teams like italy,serbia,bulgaria or poland can get stronger motivation for it, than for world league and fight better for medals
well anyway, the more difficult-the more interesting))
Доигровщик сборной Бразилии Жиба выразил мнение, что команда России не может считаться претендентом на победу в нынешнем розыгрыше Мировой лиги.
«Разумеется, фаворитом является Бразилия, – сказал Жиба «Российской газете». – Россия? Нет, ну что вы, мне действительно смешно. Неужели вы верите в чудеса, и Россия сможет обыграть Бразилию? Напрасно. Победим мы, бразильцы! Я в этом нисколько не сомневаюсь».
В «Финале восьми» Мировой лиги сборные России и Бразилии были определены в группу с командами Кубы и США.
Blame them. May be they distorted the facts. It's quite possible. I was too surprised by the words of Giba. He may be arrogant and agressive like most of the winners in sport, but definetely not stupid and I think he is Christian. He knows what happenes when you talk like that. Probably the news are false
May be it would be boring, but I can deal with that ehehehe ?
The Russians played very good tournament, but I think Brazil can beat them in the final.
Mikhaylov was a king in this tournament
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