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Wise decision, Zyta. No way a player at his level would go to PlusLiga. Maybe a few years ago, but not now. I wonder why people make movies about setters without including the pass on it. What’s the point of showing only from the moment De Cecco volleyed? Anyway, this guy is simply fantastic. I wish he had been born a little farther up north. ;-)

Kinda annoying when something like this happens... At Atlanta Olympics, in 1996, Russians and Cubans had a fight after a quarterfinal match. A Russian MB called Oleg Shatunov was slapped in the face by Rodolfo Sanchez. Russia won 3-0.

Pesazi, did you see USSR playing 50 years ago? Just kidding! lol Obviously if Ricardo played for Trentino they’d be faster, but to execute only that game hiring Ricardo would be a waste. It’d be like buying a Porsche to drive only on a low-speed road. Be careful when you talk about Trentino or their fans can get really angry. ;-) As for Zygadlo, you’re damn right! Being on Trentino roster doesn’t make him a great setter. Even the best teams have their share of common players. Maybe it’s too early to evaluate Tichacek at PlusLiga. I like him a lot. The Czech team is good, maybe they need more experience, you know, get to play more matches against the big guys. Too bad Lebl belonged to another generation, he was one of my favourite middle players. Can you imagine a team with Tichacek, Stokr and Lebl. Very competitive, eh! NXT, no worries. :-)

Okay, calm down. lol Simon is back. Now you have a different reason to watch vball than Trentino. ;-) Let's get back to Guma.

I like Grozer, but I still think the German NT would be better served if Schops had turned everything vball fans expected from him. I remember when Schops played with Giba in Russia, everybody was so impressed with that young right side from Germany. Schops’ performance has been oscillating too much since then. Anyway, Grozer is effective, but easier to stop than many other opposites mentioned here quite often.

Our friend Revan will go nuts. ;-)

Pesazi, I think Guma was good once, had a lot of potential. I have some matches of him very young and I thought he could make a difference. Dunno if you remember Stelmach, such a predictable setter. Whenever Guma was on the court, you could see Poland playing better. Maybe the fact his game was never effective against Brazil makes me see him just as an ordinary setter. I won’t make comparisons with some names, I guess you know who I’m thinking about. Sure, there are lots better than him out there. He could have been great, but he got lost at some point, dunno how or when. I won’t waste my time making comments about Zygadlo, but I think Trentino doesn’t play only the way you described. NightFox, I didn’t know you’re a Trentino freak. I’m afraid of you. ;-)

Yeah! Simon is on his way back to vball. Where he's gonna play? ;-)

http://dal15al25.gazzetta.it/post/25803491/simon-sta-per-arrivare-in-italia

Nagor, you watch vball all day long and still don’t have a clue... Why would they care about Zagumny? It’s about relevance, not about knowing his name. BTW, recently, during the World Cup, on another webforum, some guy posted a nice pic of the Egyptian players celebrating their victory over China. I lot of people sent them good luck wishes, until a bunch of Poles appeared to ruin the topic saying Poland was the best (where? lol), blah blah blah... That’s how most Polaco fans behave on webforums. Look at your behaviour: Self-absorbed, very limited knowledge, biased, and aggressive. Thank God the Polish fans I’ve met are nicer than you. But what can I say of a guy who thinks vball is about third meter spikes? ;-)

Just to prove what I’m saying, I made several good remarks on the Polish team. A simple criticism on a player made you cry. Grow up!



C’mon man, tell us what teams made offers to Zagumny... I’d never take such a lame player as a client, I’m very selective. He wanted desperately to join Zenit Kazan this season, but they didn’t want him even as a sub.



That’s very nice of you, Raylight. You’re such a kind person.



Zyta, if I call Radostin Stoychev he’ll hurt you even more. lol



NXT, I was just being ironic, in case you didn’t notice. ;-)



Let’s see what happens when a foreigner criticize him, my friend. I know what I’m talking about. ;-)



It seems that just like Nagor you didn’t get the joke. Check the beginning of this message, please.



Glad you can deal with different opinions and you’re not like those Polaco fans who screwed that topic about Egypt aforementioned. I guess, using your logic, Bari is a great libero because he received best libero award last ECh, right? Well, I don’t think so. If you wanna discuss, we can talk about how stats are used for libero and setter. Do you know Paolo Tofoli? He got several awards, but was never considered a great setter. I can point you some Brazilians that got awards and we don’t like them, either.



Well, I never said I got inside info from anywhere. In case you don’t know that info on Zagumny’s wish to play for Zenit was on some websites. Maybe you should read a little more – some Polish websites informed that. He was the fourth option, but was never invited.



NightFox, I command you to stop liking Zagumny NOW! lol

NXT, I didn’t know I should like Pawel Zagoofy, ops, Zagumny. He’s just an ordinary setter. You like him because he’s Polish. If Tichacek or Depesteele were Poles, just to mention two setters better than Zagumny, you’d be saying they’re fantastic. If that mediocre Zhekov were Polish, you’d be praising him. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear people like you saying Zygadlo is a very good setter – a player so predictable and incapable of being an effective big-league starter. Don’t be mad. Instead, try to understand this beautiful sport. If you had a little comprehension, you’d see how ordinary Zagoofy, ops, Zagumny is. Better days will come... Fabian Drzyzga has a lot of potential. MAYBE he’ll become a great setter. Poor Nagor, still suffering... Oh, I’m a big Bruno fan. lol Aelinn, now you know why I always say girls rock. While these boys get angry for nothing, you realized what’s going on. I couldn’t care less about Zagumny. I’m not doing this to mock these kids, I really think Zagumny is nothing special. See how interesting, you Polaco fans know the names of some Brazilian setters that don’t even play for our NT. Ask some Brazilian fan about the name of a Polish setter and they’ll say, “who cares?”. Maybe you don’t know or don’t remember, but every time Bernardinho goes to Poland some reporters ask him which Polish players could be on our team – this repetitive thing became a joke here (can tell you later). They always ask about Zagumny, and guess what’s the answer? Poor Zagumny never had an offer from a top club during his long career. His agent wanted him to play for Zenit Kazan this season, but they took Vermiglio instead – nooooo, he lost to Vermiglio! One more thing: You’re right, Aelinn, these guys need to chill out a bit. Why they can’t be like Saku and Roninho? Whenever I tell them to “jump”, Saku and Roninho just say, “your wish is my command, master”. ;-)

NightFox, you’re getting worse every day. Congrats! lol

Every time I see someone begging for pluses or complaining about minuses, all I can think is, “what a loser”.

As for the play, lucky move! I really enjoy seeing ordinary players like Pawel Zagumny doing something different. It shows sport can be rewarding for everyone. ;-)

Cheers,
Henrique

P.S.: Although this “gimme pluses” is pretty gay, the gayest one I saw here still is that comment from a guy who wrote, “NightFox, I can’t live without your movies”. Seriously, can you imagine someone writing that without being a total fag?

Raylight, several teams reached the top without their players having “experience from Italy”. In fact, A1 take the players after they’re ready. Yes, they can get even better playing there, but the main Italian league wouldn’t hire those guys to build their game, they want players ready to kill. Maybe you just can’t see how limited the Cuban game is, or you just mentioned A1 trying a short cut to start talking about Trentino, Matey, Rado... ;-)

Volleymaster, these are the rules in his country – Hierrezuelo had to apologize to be accepted back into the team. In our opinion, those three players were trying to make a better life. For the government of their country, they were traitors trying to run away. I don’t think they would have a big chance to fight for the gold. I told someone here about the team they had in the late nineties, with Marshall, Dennis, Pimienta, Diago and the Hernandez brothers. Can you imagine all those guys together? Many people, on several webforums, have mentioned this as a hypothetical situation, without knowing they actually played together. Guess what happened? They never reached the top – didn’t even get close. The problem in Cuban volleyball is more than having good players – they have plenty of them, with an amazing athleticism. Their main problems are lack of technique and poor tactics. Their results are based on the combination of an awesome strength with an unbelievable vertical. Blockmaskinen, I don’t think Simon will apologize, like Hierrezuelo did. It’s unfortunate that we won't see him at the Olympics – he’s such an incredible player. I hope to see him back on the court – maybe in the near future in some club. However, it’d be great watching Simon playing again for the Cuban NT.

KubiakAAAAA! Great video. He’s an all-around player who is worth the ticket price.

Pfff...

Sakuraba, you know so well you didn’t use those words, but the idea is pretty clear when you read your first post on this thread. You’re just being stubborn. I know, I know, you think vball is made only of third meter spikes, aces and stuff blocks. ;-) Stop discussing about Quiroga or I’ll call my evil twin. :-p NightFox, you’re the man! Best movie maker ever. lol

Yes, volleyball is not made of only attack. It doesn’t mean you didn’t mention other aspects, but that you believe hitting is the most important thing. Just think about the comparison you made on the relevance of Quiroga, Conte, and Pereyra for their NT. Enough? I hope so. ;-)

Funny ad! BTW, I have a friend in USA who thought Noliko Maaseik was a Japanese club. lol

Sakuraba, I NEVER SAID you wrote only about attack. In fact, I mentioned you HAD WRITTEN about his defense skills (remember?). When you said his NT relies on Conte, Pereyra and De Cecco, you’re obviously saying his defense skills are not so important for the team – not as much as the contribution provided by the other three players you mentioned. BTW, the trio that keeps Argentina’s game in high level is Conte, Quiroga and De Cecco (aka “El Mago”). Pereyra is improving fast to give the two outside hitters some relief. If you didn’t mean Quiroga’s defense skills aren’t so important, you failed to make it clear. It seems, based on your remark, that Quiroga isn’t so relevant because “he scores mainly on single block”, which is not true. I believe it’s clear what I think of Quiroga, who has an essential role on the Argentinean squad. Let’s move on, my friend. ;-)