yes, too much expensive! I'm waiting to see if I can have a sale via MRomaVolley Fans club... (because to have FIPAV riduct tickets I have to cross the city twice and I really don't have time these days =.=)
Also because I can watch only the semifinals I think...
BTW, casamodena, did you read Pasini article about Martino? What do you say? ?
He wrote about a possile "Martino case": pratically, he believes that there night be problems with Martino because, even if he is a way better receiver than both Kooy and Anderson, he sits on the bench. And he wrote that someone told him that Martino said "I prefer stay on the bench"
BTW, Trento according to the score outplayed Vibo, and Macerata outplayed Rome. In the first and second sets there was equilibrium till 16ish, then Macerata flow away, while the third was almost a monolouge by Macerata, mostly thanks by Macerata itself, I'll say. There was only a moment when Rome being 4 point under reach -1 (9-8) because Parodi failed an attack and then was blocked, but beside that Macerata (and Parodi too, expept in this two occasions he was supereffective in attack and great in reception) was close to be perfect.
Ah, Savani helped with 5 aces (and a very dangerous run serve).
In Rome I'm still very unsatisfacted by Boninfante.
ps: I have a very technical comment: what a lovely smile Parodi has <3
OMG while I was writing BELLUNO WON 3-1 VS CUNEO!
Well, Cuneo wasn't playing great lately, but still O.O (and at home, with their wonderful public!!)
I wonder if Ngapeth played... I'll check.
Savani MVP of Macerata-Roma, with good stats in defence, 5 aces, insane stats in attack ?Actually Parodi was blocked 2 and did 3 errors in attack. But 67%. But why the hell Parodi riceived 23 times and Savani only 13?! I can't understand Roma tactic in serve =.=
Macerata 10 aces (with 14 errors), 5 by Sava, 3 by Parodi (during the dinner I must have lost two of them!), 1 Stankovic, 1 Podrascanin. Many aces on Zaytsev.
poor Nik ?
But I read that Cuneo played a very low-level match, with no agonism and determination (leggo che hanno giocato in modo spento e svogliato)
The team that was in the Italian Cup the last to year and that is the last winner of this Cup, won't defend it.
I think it is a very big failure for Cuneo.
I saw only partes of the match, but for what I watch it was an intense and fighted match. In the third sets Trento almost always conduct, but Macerata always came back, until the last points of Trento (aces of Juantorena for the 23th and 24th point)
Trento was superb, with everyone (also Brughstaler that went in for Djuric). They did several insane digs and closed few incredible ball in attack. Stokr is probably my MVP (but I didn't watch the whole match...)
Macerata played good but not on his best (while Trento probably played at his best, I'll say, and that is a good point for Macerata): they committed too many mistake in serve (like the double of Trento... Parodi alone did 6 errors!) and probably in general didn't serve that well, and they can be a bit better in block imo, but this is hard to say because it depend a lot also on the other team... And they did few great defense and nice actions too, but didn't dig how is in their skills imo. While Trento saved a lot.
But beside general consideration, the thing Macerata has to complain the most about their match is losing the second 24-26 set after leading 24-21 (or even 20..)! Parodi mistake in serve (one of thousand...) at the match point send Stokr in serve, and he did several good serve in a row. Macerata received quite well but imo Travica did few mistakes, both in lucidity and precision: precision to the spikers (too far from the net) and lucidity about chosing to set to Stankovic that had been defended twice in the previous 10 minutes. In fact he was defened another time (great job of Bari) and then blocked by Brughstaler. Travica could have chose a pipe or a precise and fast sets to the wings... And Trento always followed them for the whole set! They had it in their hands!>.<
Then in the third set it was Macerata tourn to follow Trento, (more than once they were like -4/3 and then again -1) and at 19-21 Omrcen made a mistake in attack (19-22), then Osmany did 2 aces (the first on Parodi, with a bit of luck I think, it seemed to me that the ball touched the net, so it changed a bit the direction but it was very fast so Parodi was just hitten by the ball), and one between Exiga and Parodi (again, and incredible fast serve). Match closed by a bad errors of Parodi in attack. That honestly exept the serve played quite well (not great)beside what it can seem from my words.
Ok, I've done xDDD Sorry for bothering you, I just needed to comment it xD
So for the second time in a row three of the first 4 teams lost the game: only Trento kept winning (as always ?
At least Macerata was lucky that Cuneo lost, so they kept the second place. But at the same time Cuneo was lucky that Modena didn't win, so they kept few points of advantages?
Roma won 3-0 vs Vibo, I couldn't go but friends told me it was a veeery boring match, exept for the victory. Good match by Sabbi, 3 aces, 2 blocks, 19 attacks, I'm glad he recovered from the ankle injury?
Vibo Valentia-Piacenza 0-3 ? Well, final score is pretty eloquent: too strong Piacenza and too weak Vibo. I'm afraid they'll do the same as last year: good job up to half-season and then one defeat after another ? What a pity...but honestly Piacenza deserved victory: super Zlatanov and super Papi!!
marchst: I also can't explain such a big and quick change with Piacenza as well as i can't understand why Vibo is unable to keep the same standards in terms of results and performance up to the end on the league and why they start declining at mid-season.
We think Vibo is remained without Coscione to date and in the mechanisms of this team is very important.
you'll see that now that it's back in time to resume the shape, Vibo will restart to win.
pearl, I think this is small change of Piacenza, look their results so far in the stats. They had only four games which they lost with difference - Cuneo, Belluno, Ravenna at home and Modena as guests. I don't count Trentino here. In all other matches they fought very hard and lost sets 24:26, 25:27 and 23:25.
Yes Ray you're right, but even if at 27-25, alost set is always a lost set; you can lose a match playing hard (24:26, 27:29, 32:34...it's just anexample not real score) but, at the end of the way, despite you fought very hard, final score will say you've lost 3-0!!
What impress me of Piacenza is their reverse in terms of positive results!
Modena-Padova 3-0. Amazing match, really! Dennis was fantastic, but very good performance by Piscopo too (4 blocks...3 of which in a row). Martino played in the last part of the match and he did some excellent things!!
Yeah good match. Piscopo 6 blocks and 100% attack so MVP. Great match by Dennis too, he was around 60s%, and Martino (who honestly seem to be a new player now: strong serve and spike aswell as vertical - good reception). Sooo high Anderson! This guy is capable of spiking pipes over the block in my opinion. Last two ones were terrifying, with the ball on the 4th meter (I please somebody who recorded the match to post them here, thx)
Cuneo-Macerata 3-2!
Macerata ouplayed Cuneo for two sets, then Cuneo did the same for the next two. In the tie break Cuneo started a bit better, then was odd, then Cuneo did better. Macerata was close to a nice come back: from 11-14-->13-14, with ace of Parodi), then Parodi served out =.= I knew that, damn! Also during the tie break he did an ace (I think for the first advantage of Macerata since the second set, 7-6) and then a mistake, so typical...
Great Ngapeth imo, in general very confident Cuneo from the third set exept for Wjisman.
Macerata did many mistakes and played badly in attack, but they kept defending well and fight almost always imo. Great defense from both.
I still think that I serve better than Lebl, ray ?
Kjeldhor, it was balanced eventually, but in general that match was everything but balanced. exept in the middle of the tie break, there were always many points between the two teams, sometimes with Macerata leading (first two sets), sometimes with Cuneo leading (third and fourth sets, plus mostly of the tie break)
BTW, there was a very nice moment during the match: after the end of the action Mastro (I didn't see it very well) hitted Travica with the ball, and while Travica was lieing (?) down, Mastro run in Macerata court, hugged Travica while he was still lieing on the floor, then helped him to stand up and hugged him again very friendly. It was really sweet ? He also wrote a public excuse on twitter ?
And there is also a "bad" pic: few days ago I read on fb that Cuneo fans was thinking to make a "striscione" (poster?) for Simone.
What truly happned is:
- there weren't "striscioni" for Simone (for what I could see)
- when he was serving, they whistled him like hell (but I didn't watch the beginning, when the spiker presents the players)
- they wrote a huge "striscione" for Giuliani: Giuliani good coach, but without face and honor. Quite nasty, don't you think? Considering that he is the coach that lead Cuneo at the first scudetto (at his first year!), at the CEVcup, at the Supercup, at the Italian Cup, plus 2 finals (Italian Cup and Scudetto) and 1/4 of CL...
after losing the title they expected a rematch whit the same coach who lead they at their first title, it's is understandable (still think offensive poster never should be showed)
@marchst There would be so much to say that we'd fill the forum at all. In my opinion just the end of our wonderful league, which Lega destroyed year after year.
I can understand they want to cut down on spending considering the bad financial crisis worldwide and in our country above all; but why do they have to stop promotions and demotions from A1 to A2 and from A2 to B1?? What are the teams playing for, then??
@Casamodena perfectly agree for the interests of the few it is destroying a wonderful championship. Then to save those who? Who is going to disappear equally!
16 team which play (in best cases) every 5-6 days from september to may like robots for no reason because the worst you can get is not to play playoffs. All other 12 team do. In brief, more costs for clubs, more effort for players for what? but above all, WHY all this?
@marchst scusa se rispondo a domanda con domanda, ma cosa vuoi , sono senza parole..
PS. domani sera fate piano, per favore ?
@casamodena tranquillo saremmo buoni, basta che non fate brutti scherzi voi!
@pearl in poche parole si vuole bloccare le retrocessioni per almeno tre anni aumentando il numero delle squadre dalle attuali 14 a 16 ,18 ,20 ,il problema di fondo è ...quali stimoli avranno le squadre senza obiettivi e di conseguenza che campionato ci propineranno?
Grbic ha detto (non marchst): W lo sport, la competizione sportiva e le persone/società serie, che sanno fare i passi in base alle proprie gambe, DA SOLI.
@ray No disrespect, I'd translate for you last posts but I've not enough time now..
@marchst Occhio che ultimamente siamo molto bravi a fare brutti scherzi ,sì, a noi stessi (ho perso il conto delle occasioni mancate), spero che stavolta capiscano chi è l'avversario,allora sì che vedremo una bella partita!
@casamodena è ciò che voglio vedere, spettacolo ,poi se si gioca bene ma l'avversario dimostra di meritare di più va bene anche la sconfitta ,altrimenti che nervoso...
@ray Nothing to hide ,was only to explain the change in the system of Italian league.
Guys, i'm trying to watch Roma-S.Giustino despite streaming today doesn't want to give me a hand ?...what a pity...PalaTiziano almost completely empty: i don't know if it depends on the snow that is covering Rome or because of the 6-Nations' match at the Olimpico Stadium ?(
@marchst and casamodena: thanx for explaining!!
@ray: hahah "Bulgarian/Italian Job" is becoming our official motto, mate ? Anyway, as marchst and casamodena already wrote, we were discussing about the absurdities releted to the change in Italian League's formula. As it seems, there aren't many fans here (i'm not at least)!!
I am not fan either, first on national level, now on club corrupted people in volleyball want to randomize the winners. Why don't they just make a lottery and the winner will be the champion?
Trento 3 - 0 Modena
first 2 was incredible sets... strong battle whit great defences
and yes raylight... i taped it ?
PS: in the highlight i think you will not see any matey's attack (3 points in the first set, 0 attack in the second, and few in third)
Trento-Modena ended a few minutes ago and, as Kjeld already wrote, final score was 3-0. I'm a little disappointed by Modena 'cause after a spectacular 1st set (34-32 if i'm not wrong) they started loosing confidence and in 3rd set they disappeared from the playground!! Esko made two or three very baaaaaaad things (last point that gave trento the 1st set was his fault), and Dennis didn't play as he did with Padova. Pity ?
Kjeldhor or marchst: why isn't Birarelli playing lately? Is he injured?? This is the second time in a row that i see Brinckman on court in lieu of Lele!!
BUT my big question is: why raisport streaming yesterday was terrible and i couldn't watch Roma-S.Giustino whereas today was great and i watched the match better than on tv???? o_O
@pearl: Bira got a little influence, he can play but we won't risk ?
for the streaming problem it's easy.... the signal (from the arena to the RAI studios) is influenced by the snow... yesterday in Roma there was a bad weather .. today in Trento was sunny
I don't love to mention names, but in moments like 1st set against a team that allows no error, a setter should have decision and clear ideas othewise you lose, and Esko's not from the beginning of the season. His error compromised the set, and probably a different (at least more battled) match. In Trento you have - not alyaws - just a few chances: If you don't profit by them the match is finished.
@handan,Kjeldhor Imo Stokr isn't underrated, It's just opponent team which is already pretty busy dealing with Kaziyski and Juanto =)
@trentini Ho visto un altra partita, o vi è sembrato anche a voi?
I agree whit you for half part.... you're right when u say that Trento got more chance, and any team must profit when it's possible, but i disagree about Esko... for me he's understimated (like Stokr) hand he had clear ideas: Kooy and Anderson are both too young in the difficult moment (look how many errors they did) so the only possibility is hope in Dennis
In Macerata is the same... all the break ball are setted for Omrcen, in Cuneo 90% of those balls are for Wout or Vissotto...
@casamodena: non ho capito l'ultima domanda... un'altra partita rispetto a cosa?
Mmh, I saw him very imprecise and serving the wrong player in the wrong moment (especially during potential breakpoints for the team).The impression from the TV was that his last set in the 1st affected our full match.I think young attacking players like Kooy and Anderson should be led by a more accurate setter to make their best, who might also place remedy to their reception faults.
@Kjeldhor scusa la non chiarezza, intendevo dire se vi sembravano delle stupidaggini quelle che ho detto di Esko, ma cmq vedo che hai capito lo stesso ?
The error of Esko was great,but the blame cannot be put to have lost the match.
Modena has managed to resume the first set,accomplice also Trento,and has been missed the opportunity to change the match,but to win the first does not mean to win the match.
Today i saw evil Dennis ,does not seem to me for nothing the Dennis last year.
Casamodena.. all the set ended at vantage affect the whole match (maybe not all all, but very often), and yes, young player should play whit the best setter (like Parodi whit Grbic) but Modena doesn't have Grbic, and Esko is still better then most of other setter in our leage (ask to Sabbi how much good is Boninfante for example).
In this moment Trento is better the Modena, yesterday we (trento) could think only about Modena because Noliko isn't at our level and next week we haven't any match on wednesday... today the only fault from Modena was the attention they give to our MB while Burgsthaler and Brinkmann aren't so much dangerous
Oh so that's the reason why ravenna-cuneo's score was stuck in 1-1!!! Rain from the roof o_O
@casamodena: i agree with you. I also watched the match on tv and had the same impression as you. Definetely if Modena had won 1st set i think the whole match would have been pretty different and... i'm so sorry to say that 'cause i usually like mikko but his HUGE mistake on last point in the 1st set was the match turning key (on the worst for Modena). Even Piscopo when interviewed by Lucchetta and rai journalist (i don't remember his name) said it between the lines, i mean he didn't say openly but it was pretty clear who he was talking about.
Man,quiet, I'm happy about some things (see that recover) but I'm not about those stupid errors in hot moments, and when my team has play crisis which last 6-8 actions, or for example when they literally throw off a set (the 3rd) by thinking onto 0-2 there's nothing more to do than losing. This not.
I've nothing against Trento, I envy You more than anything else, the killer instinct of profiting of any play when opponent don't get the point the first time, because often a second one is not allowed. I think this is what really makes the difference in your team, more than having best players.
Kjeldhor, you are anti - Matey freak. The guy has 12/18 in attack, he and Stokr closed the first set, you obviously close your eyes when he plays. Please, give me link to your tape to make the highlights ?
Stokr is great opposite, but the block follows Matey and Osmany for a reason, if they focus on Stokr Both Terminators will have unseen efficiency in attack. Matey kept spiking over the block for the rare 18 passes he received, Juantorena was very solid too, imagine what will happen if the opponent let them play freely
if filefactory is up after the new american rules i'll upload for you tomorrow ?
if it's down i'll cut the reply, the spots and i'll upload the whole match on dailymotion
"poi se si gioca bene ma l'avversario dimostra di meritare di più va bene anche la sconfitta ,altrimenti che nervoso"
Credimi, tu che sei trentino non hai idea di cosa voglia dire guardare la propria squadra perdere giocando male ?
Ti dico solo che le ultime partite che ho visto al PalaTiziano sono state quelle contro Piacenza, Padova e San Giustino!!
"PalaTiziano almost completely empty"
Ieri c'era poca gente perchè la partita non era contro una big, perchè a Roma fanno due fiocchi e pare che sia l'era glaciale e immagino anche per via del 6 nazioni. Pessima pessima pessima pessima idea anticipare la partita dell'MRoma, 'tacci della Rai, ci ho messo un secolo a tornare a casa ed ho camminato più di un'ora! Il tram che passa davanti al Palatiziano e che porta alla metro è lo stesso che viene usato per raggiungere la metro dall'Olimpico. E se il tram era stracolmo, la metro era semplicemnete inarreviabile O.O Mai vista così piena, nemmeno al funerale del Papa oh!!
"ask to Sabbi how much good is Boninfante for example"
But don't ask to me because I'll start sayng not nice words ?
And I used to like him last year, hoe naive I was, damn.
"killer instinct of profiting of any play when opponent don't get the point the first time"
I agree, this is the most impressive skill of Trento, not wasting chance. And committing very very few mistake (but still risking!!)
"I immagine.. that was happened in the final match last year... third set against Cuneo.... 9-25 ?"
ahahahahaha xD
@Kk15 non è sempre stato così ,io che frequento il Palatrento da quando si chiamava Palaghiaie e si giocava al massimo per entrare nello 8 ho provato anche quello.
Comunque pessima l'idea dell'anticipo,da quanto ne so' è la lega a decidere le partite non la RAI,quindi ancora peggio.
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Ovviamente mi riferivo agli ultimi anni, non sapevo da quanto seguiste la squadra ?
@marchst: pensavo fosse la Rai a proporre! Poi è il secondo anno di fila che capita, ma l'anno scorso era al Flaminio, che pur essendo accanto al Palazzetto è molto più piccolo (quindi c'era molto meno casino), e poi giocavamo contro Cuneo, e a quanto pare Mastro a Roma può riempire mezzo palazzetto da solo...
while i was editing the highlight from Trento-Modena i keep an ear to Lucchetta... what do you think about him??
(about him as a commentator of course... no doubt about his great cereer)
About Lucky, I think that technically his comment is great, he said very interesting thing, and I like how he seems to be in the court with the players. I read of people coplaining about him being partial, but I do think that he is only partial for the good vball, for well-done actions, for the characters.
On the other hands, sometimes his jokes are cute, but often :S
Kjeld: prova la chiavetta 3 per connetterti da casa. io ho un piano tariffario che con 19 euro al mese mi da 300 min di navigazione senza scatti ad es. ogni 15 min (come fanno vodafone e tim) quindi se stai connesso 21 min. ti contano 21 min. non 30 (due scatti da 15 min l'uno) non so se mi spiego. in più la connessione è abbastanza potente, puoi caricare, scaricare, vedere gli streaming ecc. e no n hai problemi di "peso" cioè di gb perchè conta solo il minutaggio.
il fatot è semplice... ho la 20Mega senza limiti a casa a 39€, assieme ho gratuitamente la chiavetta sempre con la stessa offerta 300 ore al mese e max 10 gb.. quindi qualsiasi altra connessione la devo pagare questa è gratuita e per cercare su wikipedia per l'uni è più che sufficiente
Modena showed to be simply an unworthy team for this kind of event, so rightly back home. The correct result would have been 0-3 Lube. I do not mention anything else about the match, I'm too angry >_<
Let's go on with the other semi!
@Kjeld Ho avuto la tua stessa impressione.. cioè fa discorsi senza senso.. non capisce più niente, fermatelo! xD
Secondo me Fefè ha finalmente realizzato che, malgrado sia un ottimo tecnico, la sua vera strada è quella del "commentatore champagne" in tv con antinelli e la rolandi (quando c'è)!! ;P
THE MVP and chosen by the public,everyone can send a SMS and is thus winner who has more fans personal ,not who played better.
It is absurd to make a result today, but many times journalists are even worse.
I voted for Parodi!!!!!!! 5 blocks, WTF!!!!!!! And he almost lead Macerata to re-take Modena in the third set with a good serve run. He closed important points (e.g., the second last - very nice rally - and the match point) and received well, and didn't suffer when he had to spike from 2 (lately he had few problems about that imo). And if I counted well he is at 100% in pipe...
And yes, I'm a bit partial about him, I probably woudl have vote him anyway ?
And I voted for Raphael, also because I was sure everybody would have voted for Osmany (but I was wrong xD). I like him a lot!
BTW, it was so empty ? Stupid Legaaaa! Fortunally the fans made the atmosphere nice ?
I found the second macth quite boring, but there were also nice rally, and of course amazing kills ? Imo Belluno played well, but it was far to being enough vs Trento.
Modena, exept in the third set, was quite disappointing, even if they closed few nice actions, while Macerata - exept for the number of serve errors - played quite well, and also in the third set they managed twice to almost close the gap, but"almost" isn't enough. It's a pity that they soffered Martino's serve run, he didn't serve such incredible balls imo, they coudl have done smth more, but eventually they won so it isn't really important ?
@casamodena, why Bagnoli preferred Kooy to Dennis in certain moments? (If I'm not wrong he usually did the change in P1, but not just for the P1...)
@Kk15: i watched Macerata-Modena and during the match Antinelli said that both Dennis and Anderson had the flu and hadn't completely recovered from it. Maybe Dennis' condition was worse than Anderson's so he couldn't play the whole match and needed to be replaced many times. I don't know if this is the real reason, it's just my opinion. Maybe Casamodena can tell us more about it.
About the votes: i also voted for Parodi 'cause imo was simply amazing today. Stunning performance for him!! But i also liked Savani and Podrascanin a lot. Drago kept his concentration always high and the whole team took benefit from that!!
Unfortunately, i wasn't able to watch second semi-final 'cause at the end of Macerata's match, rai streaming conked out and i saw nothing ?( So, if any of you can tell me something about Trento-Belluno...well, i'll appreciate ?
@casamodena: don't be angry with your guys...quest'anno è così, ma avete ottimi giocatori e un ottimo tecnico...sooner or later the wind will change ? btw, anche la lube quest'anno non ha avuto tutte rose e fiori.
The numbers said that he played even better than I thougth, BTW!
"Mentre il pubblico ha eletto Cristian Savani, grazie al sistema telefonico di 1ring, la gara, i numeri, l'impatto dicono che il migliore della sfida è Simone Parodi, capace di chiudere 21 punti con il 62% in attacco, tra cui 5 muri, alcuni importantissimi, con 30 palloni ricevuti sulle spalle (67 quelli totali di squadra) con il 73% di positiva e il 50% di perfetta. Ma al di là dei numeri, che già lo premiano, Parodi è stato il veri trascinatore sin dalle prime fasi del match" (Volleyball.it)
"The publlic voted for Savani, but the match, the stats, the impact said that the MVP is Parodi, able to close 21 points with 62% in attack, 5 blocks - fews very important, 73% positive and 50% perfect receptions on 30 (on 67 reception Macerata did). But even not considering the numbers that already award him, Parodi was the real leader from the beginning of the match"
I agree ?
And Exiga copyed my words ?, "Nei primi due set abbiamo ricevuto molto bene, dopo abbiamo lasciato cadere qualche pallone di troppo, soprattutto io in un paio di occasioni. Peccato perché potevamo vincere per 3 a 0, ma l’importante è stato vincere" = "in the first two sets we received very well, then we let falling few balls more than what was undersandable, expecially me in a couple of occasions ( -->e.g.-Martino ace). It's a pity because we could have won 3-0, but the important was to got the victory"
I knew about a low condition for both Dennis and Anderson, especially Dennis got flu on last days (likely also on today). Kooy didn't play as ws due to technical choice, probably because he was the only "reasonable" Dennis' substitute of a certain level. We often do this sub 'cause P1 is our weakest lineup (a lefthand like Dennis on position 4 - usually Anderson backwards), but today we needed him full time, with few contribution. If we include serve errors, attack errors and opponent blocks, Lube did just 59 points on 97, so 40% of their points were our faults: with numbers like these it is surprising we won a set (and imo it was too much even).
Che tristezza quel palazzo enorme mezzo vuoto, Lega davvero vergognosa!
@Kk15 Hai visto la perla di alzata del "nostro" Carletti? E' stata talmente imbarazzante che non saprei come descriverla..
The batch of Trento that i can tell you,without history in part at the beginning of the third set. Match won by the collective, good defense,Colaci on all. For me Juantorena MVP without doubt,this system does not work ,vote for sympathy.
@pearl Ti dirò che non ce l'ho tanto coi giocatori, ma con "certi" dirigenti, che giustificano la più grande figuraccia della storia di Modena (l'eliminazione dalla challenge cup contro una squadra del Lussemburgo, mandando a giocare i ragazzini!) col fatto che quel tempo sarebbe servito per allenarsi di più per essere al meglio nei momenti importanti della stagione (la semifinale di coppa non lo era abbastanza evidentemente), bah, non ho parole..
Oddio manco mi sono accorta che fosse entrato! xD Comunque anche Esko almeno due volte si è risparmiato di prendere due secondi tocchi che erano palesemente suoi, aspettandosi che Martino raccattasse la palla quando giustamente lui non si stava muovendo per prenderla ma per attaccare sull'alzata che si presupponeva Esko facesse... Una volta pure Manià non è andato a prendere una palla lunga toccata dal muro pensando che ci andasse Martino, ma cavoli non solo lui è libero, ma probabilmente ce l'aveva anche più vicina!
ps thanks for the explanation, I thought it was to have an OH in 4 instead of an opposite during the P1 but now I also understood why the changes lasted more than the P1 itself ?
about the Lega (and the regional Fipav), think that this morning they were distruibiting in front of the schools of the area coupons to buy the ticket for the semis at 2 euros... =.=
I got that coupon to by post by the Fipav because I'm tesserated (thank God I didn't buy the tickets by myself before I received it!), and I was supposed to be in the higher ring, but all the people in the C settor were allowed to go in the B (second ring). This is also really unfair for who payed the full prize to stay in that sector.
And think that before ths 2 euro things, the tesserated (from everywere) were allowed to buy tickets without "prevendita" and at a lower price, but guess what? you could only buy it on Fipav office, in Flaminio. And only from monday to friday. If you consider that I need more than 1 hour te get there ?
That to underline the flop.
Non c'era un cartellone pubblicitario UNO in giro per la zona, nemmeno davanti al palalottomatica!!!!!!
I have to admit that yesterday I realized that I wanted Macerata to win also because Modena imo with this stuf of the Challenge Cup lost the "right to deserve" anything during this season.
But for Bagnoli the Challenge is a "coppetta", he is too good to play for similar craps!
@marchst Giusto, ma tanto per chiarezza sarà solo Modena a pagarne le conseguenze (ci hanno già contattato, si parla di una multa abbastanza pesante). L'Italia del volley fortunatamente ne è completamente fuori: chi ne paga le conseguenze invece sono i tifosi (a cui hanno rincarato pure l'abbonamento, a causa della coppa dalla quale hanno voluto autoeliminarsi), ed è già fin troppo non abbiano scioperato, quando avevano tutto il diritto di farlo.
@Kk15 Those players may deserve to win, the managment not.
@marchst The impression is he has not fully the team in his hands and there's no leading player who can help him in that, too much nervousness, but technically he does a great job in overall
@raylight: i taped both match, but i alredy deleted first one (cause low tv signal make a 320dpi/20fps video -.-')
second one is at least decent to make an highlight movie
"Since I won't be there, of course it will be the most amazing and thrilling final ever"
I guess it was... But I would have wanted another winner!!! ?
I got a text from a friend that told me Macerata was winning 2-0 (and I saw the middle of the first set, amazing things from both sides!!!), at quarter past 8 I was home and I switched on the tv... and saw Macerata on the podium!
Then I saw their faces...
Did really Travica said that they deserved to win? O.o Quite arrogant...
Trento was orrible in the first 2 set (matey 1/8, stokr 4/11) and macerata was conducing for 18-13 in the third set, then Juantorena remember he's able to serve well and we win that set... at 4th Trento start well 1-8 and won tie-break 18-16
both teams deserved the victory today... but Macerata was leading 2-0 and 18-13 i think Travica was very angry because he know he lost the match
Trento showed fantastic mental strenght today. That was a huge win just when everybody expected an easy win for Lube, something happened and the match was totally different.
Yes, Rado strongest part is preparing the players to be cold headed and to risk a lot without errors, Macerata couldn't keep that serve for whole three sets, no other team in Italy can The effort of the coach is not that much on defensive tactics / although he actually works a lot on the analysis before every match - for example the way he knew the weakness with float serve and Burgsthaler did 5 serves run in the third set/ but to transform the players to play like machines. I agree with Handan, Osmany is not taking the fame too well and Matey never gets a rest even when Sokolov can replace him for a match in home or to try with Lanza
In the next lots of regular season there will be tour over certainly.
Wednesday and thursday, March 1 there will be the Champions and it is not possible to rest Matey.
I'm writing only now 'cause i was (ans still am) too disappointed with yesterday's match's result. I don't want to say anything except that:
Did really Travica said that they deserved to win? O.o Quite arrogant...
More than arrogant I would say "childish"... instead of saying such things, Drago and his team-mates should spend some time thinking about how it can be possible for a team to lose a match already won in such a silly way!! And he should also keep in his mind that a match in Volleyball finishes when you win 3 sets out of 5, not just 2!!
Why, pearl, they made it almost impossible for Trento, they play good volleyball with a lot of defense, interesting young team? I think they deserve fans like you, who will support them in the many upcoming battles ?
you think so ray?? to start with, i think i won't watch Trento- Macerata in Champions league!! as regards Serie a1...i prefer to watch Vibo ? btw Ray...can you do me a favour?? when you upload a video with Vibo Valentia...please, don't call them "Valentia"...this isn't the main part of their name...Vibo is!! ?
handan, that's one of the reasons why Matey is the captain. His character is very calm and supportive. Juantorena is not, but don't forget he's a cuban and we all know what temperament they have just like brazilians can't hide their emotions and it's just in their blood. Juantorena won that lost match and we saw what he's capable in the critical moments. Matey was totally off this match, but still he's just a human. I saw some difficulties in the center for Trentino, their attacks were not very successful there and that's unusual because they have very big % in all other matches.
"and it is always good to see Parodi playing well. Such an all around player with a beautiful game"
You read my mind, I was missing him so much this summer. I simply love his game. Not always his serve, but these two day he served very well too. The one thin I'll complain a bit about him, is that he should work a bit on receiving the jump-float serve.
"I know Trento is very well prepared team, like a machine but Rado contributes nothing when this machine is not working during the match"
I had this impression too.
"At least Matey scored the matchpoint with block ? Specially for those convinced his block is weak ?"
Really, raylight??! I hope it wasn't your first thought about the match... ?
BTW, Lucky is one of those convinced his block is weak ?
BTW (I wrote that thought to a friend, I'm too lazy to traslate it now, sorry ?)
Finalmente sono riuscita a vedermi gli ultimi due set, che tie break incredibile!*__*
Non ho potuto fare a meno di notare che alla fine Macerata, nonostante i 7 errori (contro 1) in battuta e quelle 3 imprecisioni commesse durante la seconda parte del set (pipe mancata di Parodi dopo che lui stesso aveva fatto una ricezione perfetta su una bomba di Juantorena e due brutte alzate - una davvero grossolana! - di Travica) ha perso solo di 2 punti... Annullando ben 5 match point, poi, di cui due anche consecutivi! Insomma il set è stato assolutamente equilibrato!! Ma si sa, Trento non perdona niente. Comunque alla fine l'impressione che ho avuto è che Macerata stia lì ad un niente, ma là resterà se non imparerà a sbagliare un po' di meno e ad essere un po' più costante... E devo dire che mi ricorda tanto l'Italia. Che coincidenza xD
Travica will be an awsome setter... but he still miss experience... in the most important moment (8-7 on tie break he did some errors and some prevedible setting.
at the end of the match we saw 13 serve errors from Trento and 27 from Macerata
I already said that Rado is a great coach and a weak tactics, Giuliani is the most tactics in serie A but is not a great motivator
I don't know, I think that Travica didn't make these mistake mostly because of the pressure in general, but because he actually lacks of precision... So, the technical reason itself. Even if is also true that the tenchical reasons usually accour to be most evident in the thoughest moments (probably not only because of what the player did, but also because we tend to remember these moments better)! The pipe that Parodi didn't see coming was a good idea, it was actually enough impredictable (how many team can set a pipe after Osmany served, and can serve it to the player that received the ball?!).
He did two mistake in setting, but then he did an effective tip and he took a great risk in spiking a not precise defense of Colaci... That is something that a player that can't hanlde the pressure does... (+, the ace was lucky but at least it wasn't an errors ?
But for example I think that when he sent the tip out in the 3rd set during the famous Osmany run serve and right after Omrcen ball, he did the mistake because of nervosism (not strictly due to the referee error, but because Osmany was serving and he -Travica - had the rush to end his run serve that started at 13-18 for Macerata and - at the moment of Travica mistake - leaded Trento to 15 or 16, I don't remember)
Kjeldhor, on that level of coaching nobody can say Rado is weak tactician. May be relatively weaker than other great coaches who develop more complex games, but not weak. Burgsthaler serve shows it. Weak tacticians don't win such matches and so many trophies no matter who are the players
Raylight, I was kidding ? But I think that comment was a bit silly...
About Birarelli, I agree. More than for the points he would have score, for the importance in blocking.
About Burgsthaler serve, I really can't see it as a Stoytchev tactical victory. If Zygaldo would have score an ace when Rado put him in court to serve (and set, considering that Sokolov was in for Rapha), that would have been also Rado's victory, but in the case of Burgsthaler I think he is the one that deservs all the credits (with the help of Parodi distraction)...
You were pointing out that Brughstaler run serve was a Stoytchev TACTICAL victory, and this one is the specific point I disagree with, not with the fact that Stoytchev trained his player well in serve!
And I think that the coach can perfectly made a hell of a tactical studies and tell the player where to serve, but then it's all up to the player, if he serve like Lebl (or in the middle of the net) he will hardly grab smth... If he serve like Birarelli, that can may be make the difference.
BTW, I honestly think that the tactical of the serve isn't that complicated compered for example with block-defence! I mean, I guess a player can easily makes a good tactical serve choice even without suggestion... But of course if the coach tell you where to serve it isn't a good idea to do what do you want without listening it ?
Saturday afternoon's match San Giustino-Casa Modena 3-1 (25-20,18-25,28-26,34-32), another defeat for a team against which everyone can win now. Players arguing with the coach and between themselves, supporters who stop cheering and showing their shoulders to the team then whistling: situation totally off control.
About Rome's last round result: it seems that things are not going fine at the moment for the club...and i'm not talking about the impressive series of defeates for the "Capitolini"only. A Roman friend of mine told me that the atmosphere within the team seems to be pretty tense and, most important and seriuos, many players look as they have lost any confidence by now and don't trust the cause any more. She described their last performance this way: no game, no team, no soul. ?
Casa Modena - Sisley Belluno 1-3 The worst match I remember of last 5 years.. All people in PalaCasaModena " Bagnoli go home!" " Esko go home!", whistles from everywhere , very poor Anderson never replaced with Kooy clearly saying (and wawing his hand) to Bagnoli "F*ck you!" . Modena seem to be dead . I personally can't stand this situation any more. In the next hours big changes must (and I hope will) be made.
@casamodena: what a pain reading your words mate! Modena is related to my sweetiest recollections of when I was a little girl and I was just starting to be interested and involved in this sport. Modena to me was, is and will always be "Panini Modena" and some names as Bertoli and Lucchetta, Travica sr. and Cantagalli come to my mind on the spot...it's part of our story (a significant part i'd say) and seeing this team having so many problems now makes me feel so sad.
Yesterday was another suffering day for me: Rome lost, Vibo lost ? and Macerata was about to loose as well (they were eventually able to grab a tie-break win, which is not much...but at least something is better than nothing).
@Kjeldhor: i've seen from the set scores that they actually fought hard. Glad to hear that. Despite this, the negative aspect remains the same: as I wrote to Raylight some time ago (talking about Piacenza if i'm not wrong) even if you play very well and score tons of points but at the end of the day you always loose 3-0 or 3-1... you get no points at all and your standings position doesn't change or gets worse and worse...and Rome is currently in third last position!! They're standing with one foot in Serie A2 and the other one slowly shifting from A1 to A2 too.
Pearl, as I said before and Piacenza proved I was right - small pts difference means mentality, not quality problems and as soon mentality changes the outcome will change. You saw what Piacenza did in the last 7 rounds, right? ?
Since Kjeldhor didn't record Trento - Cuneo (questa proprio non me la dovevi fare ragazzo!! LOL) is there any chance to see a video about this match by someone else here (NightFox, Ray)???
Sincerly i think that some things should change in this championship. In the afternoon Trentino won playing with the team B against BreBanca Lannutti Cuneo, who had the same points as Macerata, before this round. To me it's unbelievable that the third team in the championship isn't capable of winning against the team B of the Trentino. It means that there's more then the usual difference among the Serie A 1 teams, even between the first and the third one.
I hope to see something better in the playoffs.
@Daniel_e92: as a matter of fact it's pretty impressive that Cuneo didn't win with trento's B team....on the other hand if you consider who actually play as Trento B team (Zygadlo, Sokolov, Della Lunga etc.) we cannot exactly say that trento's second team is weak o_O
Guys, can you tell me one thing if you know that: what happened to Marutti last match with Trento. All I know is that he and Osmany hit and Gabriele got injured in his ankle. What did occur exactly??
@Raylight. You're right, but they're not in the Trentino A team and to me, the A team of the Cuneo should have won the match, no matter what.
@Pearl I don't think that the B Team is weak, i haven't said that Pearl, but i expected a lot more from a team like Cuneo. Dai, da Cuneo ci si aspetta di più. xD
@Daniel_e: hai ragione, da Cuneo ci si aspetta di più...ma anche da Roma io mi aspettavo mooooolto di più e invece stanno "muro muro" (come si dice dalle mie parti) con la A2 ? Diciamo che questo è il bello (e il brutto) del nostro campionato ?
And before our friend Raylight posts something like "Ehi, what's this Italian Job here?" I formally apologize with him and all the other foreigner users for writing my comment in italian ?
@Pearl
Hahaha, per il fatto dell'italian job, dai, ho visto tanto di quel polish job qui su. Pur studiandolo, non capivo una cippalippa xD E comunque speriamo davvero che ci siano serie più avvincenti nei playoff, anche se vedo le cose già scritte fino alle semifiniali. Speriamo bene!
@Pearl, Maurotti has taken the classic distortion to the ankle falling from an attack has invaded by going with the foot on the leg to Osmany ,sin was playing a good game.
Cuneo today has not played to the best, Trentino with Dore and Lanza was more concrete in reception and then a great Sokolov has done the rest served by an excellent Zygadlo. The Trentino went on the field today is worth at least a sixth place in season.
After 7 defeats on last 8 matches Modena finally won a game! Surprise! We were able to win 0-3,even, but we've still impressive play and mental disconnections. In the new year we literally throw in the rubbish the CEV Cup, Coppa Italia and 99% the 4th place in the regular season (our minimum target) .. not bad xD
Now, please, stop bullsh*ts and wake up guys!
@Daniel_e92: guarda, la faccenda dell' "Italian/Bulgarian Job" è una vecchia storia tra me e Ray LOL ... tu frequenti poco e, relativamente, da poco quindi non ne sei a conoscenza...magari un giorno ti racconteremo ?
@Kjeldhor Yes, Kooy had surgery on today (everything ok) so as Viktor Yosifov, end of season (for Kooy maybe the last one here). In a difficult moment seem the bad luck is on our side as well.
What about De Cecco? Very bad news for Monza...
@raylight: ако използвам Google Translator, аз мога да разбера на вашия език LOL I can't guarantee about the quality of this translation ?
@Kjeldhor: non ci hai capito perché non presti attenzione ragazzo...l'amore ti distrae LOL
@Daniel_e92: molto brevemente, mesi fa in questo stesso topic io e Kjeldhor aka "lo smemorato di Trento" ? stavamo discutendo di qualcosa inerente Trento e lo abbiamo fatto in italiano; ad un certo punto ray ha lasciato un commento dicendo "ehi, cos'è questo italian job qui?" ed abbiamo ripreso a scrivere in inglese. Poco tempo dopo, sotto un video relativo alla nazionale bulgara, si è sviluppata un'accesa discussione tra gli amici bulgari, fatta in bulgaro...ed io, per scherzare, mi sono intromessa chiedendo a ray "ehi, cos'è questo bulgarian job qui?"...da allora non è più finita hahahaha
San Giustino vs Padova è appena finita. 3-0 per i veneti. Ci credete se vi dico che, malgrado abbia seguito la partita dall'inizio alla fine, è come se non avessi visto niente?!...sono talmente sottosopra per Vigor che tutto il resto (i punti, la classifica, chi si salva e chi retrocede) mi sembra totalmente irrilevante ?
I've seen Macerata's match yesterday...not the whole match honestly 'cause streaming left me at the beginning of the 4th set, but what i saw was interesting. Good news for Berruto: the worst on court was Travica.
Luckly for Macerata, Drago's sub there is Monopoli.
Unluckly for our NT, Drargo's sub there isn't Monopoli.
Yes Kjeldhor, what a surprise! Sisley did lots of mistakes in the hottest moment, and Latina with a super Jarosz won the game. Really an ugly match as of level of plays, hope our guys won't miss this favorable result with another poor performance!
first match best team VS worst team
second match: the team who lost first match VS middle team
third match: middle team VS the tem sho win first match
So, the middle team MUST play 2 matches in 2 days, the worst team can have 1 free day (if they win the first match, it's hard but it's possible) so at and of regular season is better be the worst team instead the middle one -.-'
@Kjeldhor Me too. In our pool, just to say, Latina is the closest team to the semifinal after ending at the 9th place the regular season and saving from the A-2 on the last few rounds. CHE SCHIFO!
Said that, another embarrassing performance by Modena, who wasn't able to win a match played against Belluno, a team already aware to be out of semis (and where we've never been leading in the score except on the 1-0). As fan, I really hope to lose on today for finishing this once more pathetic season as soon as possible (for being able just to compare point ratio with Latina's,we must win 3-0 only - very unlikely). Several supporters criticize players who say them " Wanna play on my behalf? " (Manià, ndr) , I don't want to comment that, it speaks for itself...
Latina vs Modena 3-1!! Wow...i'm so happy for Prandi, who's a real gentleman as well as a walking Bible of italian volleyball. And i'm happy for Latina: they have been able to do what Roma should have and didn't!! Great match for Sottile!!
First words of GM Bruno Da Re in the post-match press interview " Who's actually confirmed for next season in the whole club? " answer: "Nobody, and if players don't hurry to take the shower, they're also going to remain in here" . Thunderstorms in sight...
Let's say COULD have won SOME matches more among those we "played" (did not) this year
Right for Latina and Belluno us to get out, finally, this revolting season is over.
Happy for Silvano Prandi who knocked out the team which dismissed him last year for just a couple of bad performances, well done!
Well, looking the matches here and the stats Modena lost most of the matches with good attack and defense, decent block and too many errors on serving. This kind of game can up some levels if the serving can get more reliable
We must wait a little longer to know the second finalist instead!! Cuneo-Macerata 2-3 (25-19; 23-25; 25-18; 22-25; 13-15). The "war" between these two teams goes on!!
the biggest error was letting Osmany on the court, i like when someone want still play whit a problem, that's the correct mind to win, but when u can't attack and can't defend u're not only usless, u're a problem for your team, Rado ask him 3 times if he would come to the bench and he refuse, but shouldn't was a question in that moment should was an order
First match of 2012/2013 Season: Italian SuperCup, Macerata vs Trento 3-2. Exciting match! Super Zaytsev (23 points); Savani 20 points, Kazyiski 21 points.
i agree with u handan that Macerata is the favourite for this match, and they are more spectacular, but spectacular doens't mean effective... in this moment Raphael is serving often Jan cause is so much effective than osmany atm
about Mikasa u're right, but we know that long time ago... in ECL Osmany never got so much aces as in the league, but he can learn how to serve ... just be patient, and at the same moment, floating service are more difficult to receive...
about the setting.. the fact is: trentino actualy won 28 set, lost 0 set. and in this month Stokr is in a great shape with a straordianry efficacy
and BTW Stokr attacked 113 balls, Osmany 72, and Matey 107, last year 681-552-576, the % are about the same...
I remember some years ago .. Trentino got in his roaster Stephan Hubner and Ryan Millar... we got something crazy like 5 block/set.. i'm missing that time T_T
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Also because I can watch only the semifinals I think...
BTW, casamodena, did you read Pasini article about Martino? What do you say? ?
BTW, Trento according to the score outplayed Vibo, and Macerata outplayed Rome. In the first and second sets there was equilibrium till 16ish, then Macerata flow away, while the third was almost a monolouge by Macerata, mostly thanks by Macerata itself, I'll say. There was only a moment when Rome being 4 point under reach -1 (9-8) because Parodi failed an attack and then was blocked, but beside that Macerata (and Parodi too, expept in this two occasions he was supereffective in attack and great in reception) was close to be perfect.
Ah, Savani helped with 5 aces (and a very dangerous run serve).
In Rome I'm still very unsatisfacted by Boninfante.
ps: I have a very technical comment: what a lovely smile Parodi has <3
Well, Cuneo wasn't playing great lately, but still O.O (and at home, with their wonderful public!!)
I wonder if Ngapeth played... I'll check.
Uhm... I guess a semifinal Trento-Cuneo would have been more interesting...
And Modena-Monza are 2-1 17-15
I'm for Monza ? (mostly because of De Cecco!)
and the 4th is... Modena!! from 17-15 to 25-17 in the 4th set O.o
so: Macerata-Modena
Trento-Belluno
I hope there won't be more surprise n the semifinals ?
Here the stats: http://www.legavolley.it/Calendario.asp?Anno=2011&IdCampionato=543 (click on the score)
Savani MVP of Macerata-Roma, with good stats in defence, 5 aces, insane stats in attack ?Actually Parodi was blocked 2 and did 3 errors in attack. But 67%. But why the hell Parodi riceived 23 times and Savani only 13?! I can't understand Roma tactic in serve =.=
Macerata 10 aces (with 14 errors), 5 by Sava, 3 by Parodi (during the dinner I must have lost two of them!), 1 Stankovic, 1 Podrascanin. Many aces on Zaytsev.
But I read that Cuneo played a very low-level match, with no agonism and determination (leggo che hanno giocato in modo spento e svogliato)
The team that was in the Italian Cup the last to year and that is the last winner of this Cup, won't defend it.
I think it is a very big failure for Cuneo.
I saw only partes of the match, but for what I watch it was an intense and fighted match. In the third sets Trento almost always conduct, but Macerata always came back, until the last points of Trento (aces of Juantorena for the 23th and 24th point)
Trento was superb, with everyone (also Brughstaler that went in for Djuric). They did several insane digs and closed few incredible ball in attack. Stokr is probably my MVP (but I didn't watch the whole match...)
Macerata played good but not on his best (while Trento probably played at his best, I'll say, and that is a good point for Macerata): they committed too many mistake in serve (like the double of Trento... Parodi alone did 6 errors!) and probably in general didn't serve that well, and they can be a bit better in block imo, but this is hard to say because it depend a lot also on the other team... And they did few great defense and nice actions too, but didn't dig how is in their skills imo. While Trento saved a lot.
But beside general consideration, the thing Macerata has to complain the most about their match is losing the second 24-26 set after leading 24-21 (or even 20..)! Parodi mistake in serve (one of thousand...) at the match point send Stokr in serve, and he did several good serve in a row. Macerata received quite well but imo Travica did few mistakes, both in lucidity and precision: precision to the spikers (too far from the net) and lucidity about chosing to set to Stankovic that had been defended twice in the previous 10 minutes. In fact he was defened another time (great job of Bari) and then blocked by Brughstaler. Travica could have chose a pipe or a precise and fast sets to the wings... And Trento always followed them for the whole set! They had it in their hands!>.<
Then in the third set it was Macerata tourn to follow Trento, (more than once they were like -4/3 and then again -1) and at 19-21 Omrcen made a mistake in attack (19-22), then Osmany did 2 aces (the first on Parodi, with a bit of luck I think, it seemed to me that the ball touched the net, so it changed a bit the direction but it was very fast so Parodi was just hitten by the ball), and one between Exiga and Parodi (again, and incredible fast serve). Match closed by a bad errors of Parodi in attack. That honestly exept the serve played quite well (not great)beside what it can seem from my words.
Ok, I've done xDDD Sorry for bothering you, I just needed to comment it xD
Fantastic finale second set
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Macerata too clinging to the service and little else.
Trent has made some error, but was very present in the blockl
defense.
http://www.legavolley.it/TabellinoGara.asp?IdGara=22066
The entire team has struggled in reception. Juantorena 4 ace and 11 points for this elected MVP
Score:2-3 (25-20 17-25 25-27 25-23 14-16)
So for the second time in a row three of the first 4 teams lost the game: only Trento kept winning (as always ?
At least Macerata was lucky that Cuneo lost, so they kept the second place. But at the same time Cuneo was lucky that Modena didn't win, so they kept few points of advantages?
Roma won 3-0 vs Vibo, I couldn't go but friends told me it was a veeery boring match, exept for the victory. Good match by Sabbi, 3 aces, 2 blocks, 19 attacks, I'm glad he recovered from the ankle injury?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7NbTYuSK-8&feature=player_embedded
I do not explain how the only change coach can do this!
you'll see that now that it's back in time to resume the shape, Vibo will restart to win.
What impress me of Piacenza is their reverse in terms of positive results!
Macerata ouplayed Cuneo for two sets, then Cuneo did the same for the next two. In the tie break Cuneo started a bit better, then was odd, then Cuneo did better. Macerata was close to a nice come back: from 11-14-->13-14, with ace of Parodi), then Parodi served out =.= I knew that, damn! Also during the tie break he did an ace (I think for the first advantage of Macerata since the second set, 7-6) and then a mistake, so typical...
Great Ngapeth imo, in general very confident Cuneo from the third set exept for Wjisman.
Macerata did many mistakes and played badly in attack, but they kept defending well and fight almost always imo. Great defense from both.
Kjeldhor, it was balanced eventually, but in general that match was everything but balanced. exept in the middle of the tie break, there were always many points between the two teams, sometimes with Macerata leading (first two sets), sometimes with Cuneo leading (third and fourth sets, plus mostly of the tie break)
BTW, there was a very nice moment during the match: after the end of the action Mastro (I didn't see it very well) hitted Travica with the ball, and while Travica was lieing (?) down, Mastro run in Macerata court, hugged Travica while he was still lieing on the floor, then helped him to stand up and hugged him again very friendly. It was really sweet ? He also wrote a public excuse on twitter ?
What truly happned is:
- there weren't "striscioni" for Simone (for what I could see)
- when he was serving, they whistled him like hell (but I didn't watch the beginning, when the spiker presents the players)
- they wrote a huge "striscione" for Giuliani: Giuliani good coach, but without face and honor. Quite nasty, don't you think? Considering that he is the coach that lead Cuneo at the first scudetto (at his first year!), at the CEVcup, at the Supercup, at the Italian Cup, plus 2 finals (Italian Cup and Scudetto) and 1/4 of CL...
position - team - (points)
1. Trento (47)
2. Macerata (39)
3. Cuneo (39 - whit less victories then Macerata)
4. Modena (35)
5. Monza (31)
6. Belluno (29)
7. Verona (25)
8. Roma (24)
9. Latina (23)
10. Piacenza (23 - whit less victories then Latina)
11. Vibo (20)
12. Padova (18)
13. San Giustino (16)
14. Ravenna (9)
What do you think?
You will see the spectacle seen until now?
That stimuli will have a team without objectives?
As will be a match between a great and a small?
@marchst scusa se rispondo a domanda con domanda, ma cosa vuoi , sono senza parole..
PS. domani sera fate piano, per favore ?
@pearl in poche parole si vuole bloccare le retrocessioni per almeno tre anni aumentando il numero delle squadre dalle attuali 14 a 16 ,18 ,20 ,il problema di fondo è ...quali stimoli avranno le squadre senza obiettivi e di conseguenza che campionato ci propineranno?
Grbic ha detto (non marchst): W lo sport, la competizione sportiva e le persone/società serie, che sanno fare i passi in base alle proprie gambe, DA SOLI.
@marchst Occhio che ultimamente siamo molto bravi a fare brutti scherzi ,sì, a noi stessi (ho perso il conto delle occasioni mancate), spero che stavolta capiscano chi è l'avversario,allora sì che vedremo una bella partita!
@ray Nothing to hide ,was only to explain the change in the system of Italian league.
@marchst and casamodena: thanx for explaining!!
@ray: hahah "Bulgarian/Italian Job" is becoming our official motto, mate ? Anyway, as marchst and casamodena already wrote, we were discussing about the absurdities releted to the change in Italian League's formula. As it seems, there aren't many fans here (i'm not at least)!!
first 2 was incredible sets... strong battle whit great defences
and yes raylight... i taped it ?
PS: in the highlight i think you will not see any matey's attack (3 points in the first set, 0 attack in the second, and few in third)
Kjeldhor or marchst: why isn't Birarelli playing lately? Is he injured?? This is the second time in a row that i see Brinckman on court in lieu of Lele!!
BUT my big question is: why raisport streaming yesterday was terrible and i couldn't watch Roma-S.Giustino whereas today was great and i watched the match better than on tv???? o_O
for the streaming problem it's easy.... the signal (from the arena to the RAI studios) is influenced by the snow... yesterday in Roma there was a bad weather .. today in Trento was sunny
@handan,Kjeldhor Imo Stokr isn't underrated, It's just opponent team which is already pretty busy dealing with Kaziyski and Juanto =)
@trentini Ho visto un altra partita, o vi è sembrato anche a voi?
In Macerata is the same... all the break ball are setted for Omrcen, in Cuneo 90% of those balls are for Wout or Vissotto...
@casamodena: non ho capito l'ultima domanda... un'altra partita rispetto a cosa?
@Kjeldhor scusa la non chiarezza, intendevo dire se vi sembravano delle stupidaggini quelle che ho detto di Esko, ma cmq vedo che hai capito lo stesso ?
Modena has managed to resume the first set,accomplice also Trento,and has been missed the opportunity to change the match,but to win the first does not mean to win the match.
Today i saw evil Dennis ,does not seem to me for nothing the Dennis last year.
Casamodena.. all the set ended at vantage affect the whole match (maybe not all all, but very often), and yes, young player should play whit the best setter (like Parodi whit Grbic) but Modena doesn't have Grbic, and Esko is still better then most of other setter in our leage (ask to Sabbi how much good is Boninfante for example).
In this moment Trento is better the Modena, yesterday we (trento) could think only about Modena because Noliko isn't at our level and next week we haven't any match on wednesday... today the only fault from Modena was the attention they give to our MB while Burgsthaler and Brinkmann aren't so much dangerous
@casamodena: i agree with you. I also watched the match on tv and had the same impression as you. Definetely if Modena had won 1st set i think the whole match would have been pretty different and... i'm so sorry to say that 'cause i usually like mikko but his HUGE mistake on last point in the 1st set was the match turning key (on the worst for Modena). Even Piscopo when interviewed by Lucchetta and rai journalist (i don't remember his name) said it between the lines, i mean he didn't say openly but it was pretty clear who he was talking about.
I first thought there were few chances to get home with points, even less to win the game ?
However, we must not exaggerate the faults to Esko because it was a point for the balance,not to win.
I've nothing against Trento, I envy You more than anything else, the killer instinct of profiting of any play when opponent don't get the point the first time, because often a second one is not allowed. I think this is what really makes the difference in your team, more than having best players.
if it's down i'll cut the reply, the spots and i'll upload the whole match on dailymotion
Credimi, tu che sei trentino non hai idea di cosa voglia dire guardare la propria squadra perdere giocando male ?
Ti dico solo che le ultime partite che ho visto al PalaTiziano sono state quelle contro Piacenza, Padova e San Giustino!!
"PalaTiziano almost completely empty"
Ieri c'era poca gente perchè la partita non era contro una big, perchè a Roma fanno due fiocchi e pare che sia l'era glaciale e immagino anche per via del 6 nazioni. Pessima pessima pessima pessima idea anticipare la partita dell'MRoma, 'tacci della Rai, ci ho messo un secolo a tornare a casa ed ho camminato più di un'ora! Il tram che passa davanti al Palatiziano e che porta alla metro è lo stesso che viene usato per raggiungere la metro dall'Olimpico. E se il tram era stracolmo, la metro era semplicemnete inarreviabile O.O Mai vista così piena, nemmeno al funerale del Papa oh!!
"ask to Sabbi how much good is Boninfante for example"
But don't ask to me because I'll start sayng not nice words ?
And I used to like him last year, hoe naive I was, damn.
"killer instinct of profiting of any play when opponent don't get the point the first time"
I agree, this is the most impressive skill of Trento, not wasting chance. And committing very very few mistake (but still risking!!)
"I immagine.. that was happened in the final match last year... third set against Cuneo.... 9-25 ?"
ahahahahaha xD
ps good luck for the exam Kjeldhor!
Comunque pessima l'idea dell'anticipo,da quanto ne so' è la lega a decidere le partite non la RAI,quindi ancora peggio.
io mi ricorderò sempre le prime trasferte.. che tornavo a casa contento quando vincevamo 1 set
Ovviamente mi riferivo agli ultimi anni, non sapevo da quanto seguiste la squadra ?
@marchst: pensavo fosse la Rai a proporre! Poi è il secondo anno di fila che capita, ma l'anno scorso era al Flaminio, che pur essendo accanto al Palazzetto è molto più piccolo (quindi c'era molto meno casino), e poi giocavamo contro Cuneo, e a quanto pare Mastro a Roma può riempire mezzo palazzetto da solo...
(about him as a commentator of course... no doubt about his great cereer)
On the other hands, sometimes his jokes are cute, but often :S
why u did this, my love? >.<
@italian who saw the match on rai direct:
ma che c'ha Fefè? si è innamorato di Simona che sta a ridere con na faccia imbambolata???
Let's go on with the other semi!
@Kjeld Ho avuto la tua stessa impressione.. cioè fa discorsi senza senso.. non capisce più niente, fermatelo! xD
It is absurd to make a result today, but many times journalists are even worse.
And yes, I'm a bit partial about him, I probably woudl have vote him anyway ?
And I voted for Raphael, also because I was sure everybody would have voted for Osmany (but I was wrong xD). I like him a lot!
BTW, it was so empty ? Stupid Legaaaa! Fortunally the fans made the atmosphere nice ?
I found the second macth quite boring, but there were also nice rally, and of course amazing kills ? Imo Belluno played well, but it was far to being enough vs Trento.
Modena, exept in the third set, was quite disappointing, even if they closed few nice actions, while Macerata - exept for the number of serve errors - played quite well, and also in the third set they managed twice to almost close the gap, but"almost" isn't enough. It's a pity that they soffered Martino's serve run, he didn't serve such incredible balls imo, they coudl have done smth more, but eventually they won so it isn't really important ?
@casamodena, why Bagnoli preferred Kooy to Dennis in certain moments? (If I'm not wrong he usually did the change in P1, but not just for the P1...)
About the votes: i also voted for Parodi 'cause imo was simply amazing today. Stunning performance for him!! But i also liked Savani and Podrascanin a lot. Drago kept his concentration always high and the whole team took benefit from that!!
Unfortunately, i wasn't able to watch second semi-final 'cause at the end of Macerata's match, rai streaming conked out and i saw nothing ?( So, if any of you can tell me something about Trento-Belluno...well, i'll appreciate ?
@casamodena: don't be angry with your guys...quest'anno è così, ma avete ottimi giocatori e un ottimo tecnico...sooner or later the wind will change ? btw, anche la lube quest'anno non ha avuto tutte rose e fiori.
"Mentre il pubblico ha eletto Cristian Savani, grazie al sistema telefonico di 1ring, la gara, i numeri, l'impatto dicono che il migliore della sfida è Simone Parodi, capace di chiudere 21 punti con il 62% in attacco, tra cui 5 muri, alcuni importantissimi, con 30 palloni ricevuti sulle spalle (67 quelli totali di squadra) con il 73% di positiva e il 50% di perfetta. Ma al di là dei numeri, che già lo premiano, Parodi è stato il veri trascinatore sin dalle prime fasi del match" (Volleyball.it)
"The publlic voted for Savani, but the match, the stats, the impact said that the MVP is Parodi, able to close 21 points with 62% in attack, 5 blocks - fews very important, 73% positive and 50% perfect receptions on 30 (on 67 reception Macerata did). But even not considering the numbers that already award him, Parodi was the real leader from the beginning of the match"
I agree ?
And Exiga copyed my words ?, "Nei primi due set abbiamo ricevuto molto bene, dopo abbiamo lasciato cadere qualche pallone di troppo, soprattutto io in un paio di occasioni. Peccato perché potevamo vincere per 3 a 0, ma l’importante è stato vincere" = "in the first two sets we received very well, then we let falling few balls more than what was undersandable, expecially me in a couple of occasions ( -->e.g.-Martino ace). It's a pity because we could have won 3-0, but the important was to got the victory"
Che tristezza quel palazzo enorme mezzo vuoto, Lega davvero vergognosa!
@Kk15 Hai visto la perla di alzata del "nostro" Carletti? E' stata talmente imbarazzante che non saprei come descriverla..
@casamodena: effettivamente ?(
ps thanks for the explanation, I thought it was to have an OH in 4 instead of an opposite during the P1 but now I also understood why the changes lasted more than the P1 itself ?
about the Lega (and the regional Fipav), think that this morning they were distruibiting in front of the schools of the area coupons to buy the ticket for the semis at 2 euros... =.=
I got that coupon to by post by the Fipav because I'm tesserated (thank God I didn't buy the tickets by myself before I received it!), and I was supposed to be in the higher ring, but all the people in the C settor were allowed to go in the B (second ring). This is also really unfair for who payed the full prize to stay in that sector.
And think that before ths 2 euro things, the tesserated (from everywere) were allowed to buy tickets without "prevendita" and at a lower price, but guess what? you could only buy it on Fipav office, in Flaminio. And only from monday to friday. If you consider that I need more than 1 hour te get there ?
That to underline the flop.
Non c'era un cartellone pubblicitario UNO in giro per la zona, nemmeno davanti al palalottomatica!!!!!!
But for Bagnoli the Challenge is a "coppetta", he is too good to play for similar craps!
@Kk15 Those players may deserve to win, the managment not.
Si certo le conseguenze le pagherà Modena,ma non è bello per tutto il movimento.
second one is at least decent to make an highlight movie
(The 2-euro promotion was only for the semis, btw)
But this is a good new for you: since I won't be there, of course it will be the most amazing and thrilling final ever ?
I guess it was... But I would have wanted another winner!!! ?
I got a text from a friend that told me Macerata was winning 2-0 (and I saw the middle of the first set, amazing things from both sides!!!), at quarter past 8 I was home and I switched on the tv... and saw Macerata on the podium!
Then I saw their faces...
Did really Travica said that they deserved to win? O.o Quite arrogant...
Lot incredible!
Osmany stratospheric!
I would have said that we do not believe a comeback!
both teams deserved the victory today... but Macerata was leading 2-0 and 18-13 i think Travica was very angry because he know he lost the match
Stoychev doesn't give enough rest to Kaziyski and Stokr, and for the second he does not have any excuses
Yesterday it was difficult to replace Matey with Dore because Macerata has a very strong block.
Wednesday and thursday, March 1 there will be the Champions and it is not possible to rest Matey.
More than arrogant I would say "childish"... instead of saying such things, Drago and his team-mates should spend some time thinking about how it can be possible for a team to lose a match already won in such a silly way!! And he should also keep in his mind that a match in Volleyball finishes when you win 3 sets out of 5, not just 2!!
You read my mind, I was missing him so much this summer. I simply love his game. Not always his serve, but these two day he served very well too. The one thin I'll complain a bit about him, is that he should work a bit on receiving the jump-float serve.
"I know Trento is very well prepared team, like a machine but Rado contributes nothing when this machine is not working during the match"
I had this impression too.
"At least Matey scored the matchpoint with block ? Specially for those convinced his block is weak ?"
Really, raylight??! I hope it wasn't your first thought about the match... ?
BTW, Lucky is one of those convinced his block is weak ?
BTW (I wrote that thought to a friend, I'm too lazy to traslate it now, sorry ?)
Finalmente sono riuscita a vedermi gli ultimi due set, che tie break incredibile!*__*
Non ho potuto fare a meno di notare che alla fine Macerata, nonostante i 7 errori (contro 1) in battuta e quelle 3 imprecisioni commesse durante la seconda parte del set (pipe mancata di Parodi dopo che lui stesso aveva fatto una ricezione perfetta su una bomba di Juantorena e due brutte alzate - una davvero grossolana! - di Travica) ha perso solo di 2 punti... Annullando ben 5 match point, poi, di cui due anche consecutivi! Insomma il set è stato assolutamente equilibrato!! Ma si sa, Trento non perdona niente. Comunque alla fine l'impressione che ho avuto è che Macerata stia lì ad un niente, ma là resterà se non imparerà a sbagliare un po' di meno e ad essere un po' più costante... E devo dire che mi ricorda tanto l'Italia. Che coincidenza xD
at the end of the match we saw 13 serve errors from Trento and 27 from Macerata
I already said that Rado is a great coach and a weak tactics, Giuliani is the most tactics in serie A but is not a great motivator
He did two mistake in setting, but then he did an effective tip and he took a great risk in spiking a not precise defense of Colaci... That is something that a player that can't hanlde the pressure does... (+, the ace was lucky but at least it wasn't an errors ?
But for example I think that when he sent the tip out in the 3rd set during the famous Osmany run serve and right after Omrcen ball, he did the mistake because of nervosism (not strictly due to the referee error, but because Osmany was serving and he -Travica - had the rush to end his run serve that started at 13-18 for Macerata and - at the moment of Travica mistake - leaded Trento to 15 or 16, I don't remember)
Ragazza, che fai mi quoti?? ? I've been saying this thing since WC ended...you can read it in ShoutBox too: i just wrote it last night LOL
About Birarelli, I agree. More than for the points he would have score, for the importance in blocking.
About Burgsthaler serve, I really can't see it as a Stoytchev tactical victory. If Zygaldo would have score an ace when Rado put him in court to serve (and set, considering that Sokolov was in for Rapha), that would have been also Rado's victory, but in the case of Burgsthaler I think he is the one that deservs all the credits (with the help of Parodi distraction)...
And I think that the coach can perfectly made a hell of a tactical studies and tell the player where to serve, but then it's all up to the player, if he serve like Lebl (or in the middle of the net) he will hardly grab smth... If he serve like Birarelli, that can may be make the difference.
BTW, I honestly think that the tactical of the serve isn't that complicated compered for example with block-defence! I mean, I guess a player can easily makes a good tactical serve choice even without suggestion... But of course if the coach tell you where to serve it isn't a good idea to do what do you want without listening it ?
COPRA ELIOR PIACENZA - ACQUA PARADISO MONZA BRIANZA 3-0
FIDIA PADOVA - CMC RAVENNA 3-0
ENERGY RESOURCES SAN GIUSTINO - CASA MODENA 3-1
ITAS DIATEC TRENTINO - TONNO CALLIPO VIBO VALENTIA 3-1
LUBE BANCA MARCHE MACERATA - ANDREOLI LATINA 3-1
M. ROMA VOLLEY - MARMI LANZA VERONA 1-3
Piacenza=fall and rise again ?
IDuring Season: Vladimir Nikolov – 5 points to 2500, Hristo Zlatanov – 2 points to 8000 (Copra Elior Piacenza).
8k point... take that Fadel =P
OMG, tonight Rome has to play vs Trento o_O
Yesterday was another suffering day for me: Rome lost, Vibo lost ? and Macerata was about to loose as well (they were eventually able to grab a tie-break win, which is not much...but at least something is better than nothing).
I hope to see something better in the playoffs.
Guys, can you tell me one thing if you know that: what happened to Marutti last match with Trento. All I know is that he and Osmany hit and Gabriele got injured in his ankle. What did occur exactly??
@Pearl I don't think that the B Team is weak, i haven't said that Pearl, but i expected a lot more from a team like Cuneo. Dai, da Cuneo ci si aspetta di più. xD
And before our friend Raylight posts something like "Ehi, what's this Italian Job here?" I formally apologize with him and all the other foreigner users for writing my comment in italian ?
Hahaha, per il fatto dell'italian job, dai, ho visto tanto di quel polish job qui su. Pur studiandolo, non capivo una cippalippa xD E comunque speriamo davvero che ci siano serie più avvincenti nei playoff, anche se vedo le cose già scritte fino alle semifiniali. Speriamo bene!
Cuneo today has not played to the best, Trentino with Dore and Lanza was more concrete in reception and then a great Sokolov has done the rest served by an excellent Zygadlo. The Trentino went on the field today is worth at least a sixth place in season.
Now, please, stop bullsh*ts and wake up guys!
anyway, De Cecco is injuried and Kooy must be operated
What about De Cecco? Very bad news for Monza...
http://www.gabecapallavolo.it/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=277:nessuna-lesione-al-dito-per-luciano-de-cecco&catid=3:ultime-notize&Itemid=53
@Kjeldhor: non ci hai capito perché non presti attenzione ragazzo...l'amore ti distrae LOL
@Daniel_e92: molto brevemente, mesi fa in questo stesso topic io e Kjeldhor aka "lo smemorato di Trento" ? stavamo discutendo di qualcosa inerente Trento e lo abbiamo fatto in italiano; ad un certo punto ray ha lasciato un commento dicendo "ehi, cos'è questo italian job qui?" ed abbiamo ripreso a scrivere in inglese. Poco tempo dopo, sotto un video relativo alla nazionale bulgara, si è sviluppata un'accesa discussione tra gli amici bulgari, fatta in bulgaro...ed io, per scherzare, mi sono intromessa chiedendo a ray "ehi, cos'è questo bulgarian job qui?"...da allora non è più finita hahahaha
Sorry guys for my OT
if a player got a little injury 1 years ago, and it still hurt.... i call it PROBLEM
Luckly for Macerata, Drago's sub there is Monopoli.
Unluckly for our NT, Drargo's sub there isn't Monopoli.
first match best team VS worst team
second match: the team who lost first match VS middle team
third match: middle team VS the tem sho win first match
So, the middle team MUST play 2 matches in 2 days, the worst team can have 1 free day (if they win the first match, it's hard but it's possible) so at and of regular season is better be the worst team instead the middle one -.-'
what a battle *-*
Said that, another embarrassing performance by Modena, who wasn't able to win a match played against Belluno, a team already aware to be out of semis (and where we've never been leading in the score except on the 1-0). As fan, I really hope to lose on today for finishing this once more pathetic season as soon as possible (for being able just to compare point ratio with Latina's,we must win 3-0 only - very unlikely). Several supporters criticize players who say them " Wanna play on my behalf? " (Manià, ndr) , I don't want to comment that, it speaks for itself...
trento did his work: easy 3-0 to roma
Right for Latina and Belluno us to get out, finally, this revolting season is over.
Happy for Silvano Prandi who knocked out the team which dismissed him last year for just a couple of bad performances, well done!
In Poland would not ended well!
http://dal15al25.gazzetta.it/2012/04/23/lattimo-fatale-di-assago/
http://www.trentinovolley.it/societa/storia/i-giocatori.html
about the setting.. the fact is: trentino actualy won 28 set, lost 0 set. and in this month Stokr is in a great shape with a straordianry efficacy
and BTW Stokr attacked 113 balls, Osmany 72, and Matey 107, last year 681-552-576, the % are about the same...
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