Raylight, I was kidding ? But I think that comment was a bit silly...
About Birarelli, I agree. More than for the points he would have score, for the importance in blocking.
About Burgsthaler serve, I really can't see it as a Stoytchev tactical victory. If Zygaldo would have score an ace when Rado put him in court to serve (and set, considering that Sokolov was in for Rapha), that would have been also Rado's victory, but in the case of Burgsthaler I think he is the one that deservs all the credits (with the help of Parodi distraction)...
You were pointing out that Brughstaler run serve was a Stoytchev TACTICAL victory, and this one is the specific point I disagree with, not with the fact that Stoytchev trained his player well in serve!
And I think that the coach can perfectly made a hell of a tactical studies and tell the player where to serve, but then it's all up to the player, if he serve like Lebl (or in the middle of the net) he will hardly grab smth... If he serve like Birarelli, that can may be make the difference.
BTW, I honestly think that the tactical of the serve isn't that complicated compered for example with block-defence! I mean, I guess a player can easily makes a good tactical serve choice even without suggestion... But of course if the coach tell you where to serve it isn't a good idea to do what do you want without listening it ?
Saturday afternoon's match San Giustino-Casa Modena 3-1 (25-20,18-25,28-26,34-32), another defeat for a team against which everyone can win now. Players arguing with the coach and between themselves, supporters who stop cheering and showing their shoulders to the team then whistling: situation totally off control.
About Rome's last round result: it seems that things are not going fine at the moment for the club...and i'm not talking about the impressive series of defeates for the "Capitolini"only. A Roman friend of mine told me that the atmosphere within the team seems to be pretty tense and, most important and seriuos, many players look as they have lost any confidence by now and don't trust the cause any more. She described their last performance this way: no game, no team, no soul. ?
Casa Modena - Sisley Belluno 1-3 The worst match I remember of last 5 years.. All people in PalaCasaModena " Bagnoli go home!" " Esko go home!", whistles from everywhere , very poor Anderson never replaced with Kooy clearly saying (and wawing his hand) to Bagnoli "F*ck you!" . Modena seem to be dead . I personally can't stand this situation any more. In the next hours big changes must (and I hope will) be made.
@casamodena: what a pain reading your words mate! Modena is related to my sweetiest recollections of when I was a little girl and I was just starting to be interested and involved in this sport. Modena to me was, is and will always be "Panini Modena" and some names as Bertoli and Lucchetta, Travica sr. and Cantagalli come to my mind on the spot...it's part of our story (a significant part i'd say) and seeing this team having so many problems now makes me feel so sad.
Yesterday was another suffering day for me: Rome lost, Vibo lost ? and Macerata was about to loose as well (they were eventually able to grab a tie-break win, which is not much...but at least something is better than nothing).
@Kjeldhor: i've seen from the set scores that they actually fought hard. Glad to hear that. Despite this, the negative aspect remains the same: as I wrote to Raylight some time ago (talking about Piacenza if i'm not wrong) even if you play very well and score tons of points but at the end of the day you always loose 3-0 or 3-1... you get no points at all and your standings position doesn't change or gets worse and worse...and Rome is currently in third last position!! They're standing with one foot in Serie A2 and the other one slowly shifting from A1 to A2 too.
Pearl, as I said before and Piacenza proved I was right - small pts difference means mentality, not quality problems and as soon mentality changes the outcome will change. You saw what Piacenza did in the last 7 rounds, right? ?
Since Kjeldhor didn't record Trento - Cuneo (questa proprio non me la dovevi fare ragazzo!! LOL) is there any chance to see a video about this match by someone else here (NightFox, Ray)???
Sincerly i think that some things should change in this championship. In the afternoon Trentino won playing with the team B against BreBanca Lannutti Cuneo, who had the same points as Macerata, before this round. To me it's unbelievable that the third team in the championship isn't capable of winning against the team B of the Trentino. It means that there's more then the usual difference among the Serie A 1 teams, even between the first and the third one.
I hope to see something better in the playoffs.
@Daniel_e92: as a matter of fact it's pretty impressive that Cuneo didn't win with trento's B team....on the other hand if you consider who actually play as Trento B team (Zygadlo, Sokolov, Della Lunga etc.) we cannot exactly say that trento's second team is weak o_O
Guys, can you tell me one thing if you know that: what happened to Marutti last match with Trento. All I know is that he and Osmany hit and Gabriele got injured in his ankle. What did occur exactly??
@Raylight. You're right, but they're not in the Trentino A team and to me, the A team of the Cuneo should have won the match, no matter what.
@Pearl I don't think that the B Team is weak, i haven't said that Pearl, but i expected a lot more from a team like Cuneo. Dai, da Cuneo ci si aspetta di più. xD
@Daniel_e: hai ragione, da Cuneo ci si aspetta di più...ma anche da Roma io mi aspettavo mooooolto di più e invece stanno "muro muro" (come si dice dalle mie parti) con la A2 ? Diciamo che questo è il bello (e il brutto) del nostro campionato ?
And before our friend Raylight posts something like "Ehi, what's this Italian Job here?" I formally apologize with him and all the other foreigner users for writing my comment in italian ?
@Pearl
Hahaha, per il fatto dell'italian job, dai, ho visto tanto di quel polish job qui su. Pur studiandolo, non capivo una cippalippa xD E comunque speriamo davvero che ci siano serie più avvincenti nei playoff, anche se vedo le cose già scritte fino alle semifiniali. Speriamo bene!
@Pearl, Maurotti has taken the classic distortion to the ankle falling from an attack has invaded by going with the foot on the leg to Osmany ,sin was playing a good game.
Cuneo today has not played to the best, Trentino with Dore and Lanza was more concrete in reception and then a great Sokolov has done the rest served by an excellent Zygadlo. The Trentino went on the field today is worth at least a sixth place in season.
After 7 defeats on last 8 matches Modena finally won a game! Surprise! We were able to win 0-3,even, but we've still impressive play and mental disconnections. In the new year we literally throw in the rubbish the CEV Cup, Coppa Italia and 99% the 4th place in the regular season (our minimum target) .. not bad xD
Now, please, stop bullsh*ts and wake up guys!
@Daniel_e92: guarda, la faccenda dell' "Italian/Bulgarian Job" è una vecchia storia tra me e Ray LOL ... tu frequenti poco e, relativamente, da poco quindi non ne sei a conoscenza...magari un giorno ti racconteremo ?
@Kjeldhor Yes, Kooy had surgery on today (everything ok) so as Viktor Yosifov, end of season (for Kooy maybe the last one here). In a difficult moment seem the bad luck is on our side as well.
What about De Cecco? Very bad news for Monza...
@raylight: ако използвам Google Translator, аз мога да разбера на вашия език LOL I can't guarantee about the quality of this translation ?
@Kjeldhor: non ci hai capito perché non presti attenzione ragazzo...l'amore ti distrae LOL
@Daniel_e92: molto brevemente, mesi fa in questo stesso topic io e Kjeldhor aka "lo smemorato di Trento" ? stavamo discutendo di qualcosa inerente Trento e lo abbiamo fatto in italiano; ad un certo punto ray ha lasciato un commento dicendo "ehi, cos'è questo italian job qui?" ed abbiamo ripreso a scrivere in inglese. Poco tempo dopo, sotto un video relativo alla nazionale bulgara, si è sviluppata un'accesa discussione tra gli amici bulgari, fatta in bulgaro...ed io, per scherzare, mi sono intromessa chiedendo a ray "ehi, cos'è questo bulgarian job qui?"...da allora non è più finita hahahaha
San Giustino vs Padova è appena finita. 3-0 per i veneti. Ci credete se vi dico che, malgrado abbia seguito la partita dall'inizio alla fine, è come se non avessi visto niente?!...sono talmente sottosopra per Vigor che tutto il resto (i punti, la classifica, chi si salva e chi retrocede) mi sembra totalmente irrilevante ?
I've seen Macerata's match yesterday...not the whole match honestly 'cause streaming left me at the beginning of the 4th set, but what i saw was interesting. Good news for Berruto: the worst on court was Travica.
Luckly for Macerata, Drago's sub there is Monopoli.
Unluckly for our NT, Drargo's sub there isn't Monopoli.
Yes Kjeldhor, what a surprise! Sisley did lots of mistakes in the hottest moment, and Latina with a super Jarosz won the game. Really an ugly match as of level of plays, hope our guys won't miss this favorable result with another poor performance!
first match best team VS worst team
second match: the team who lost first match VS middle team
third match: middle team VS the tem sho win first match
So, the middle team MUST play 2 matches in 2 days, the worst team can have 1 free day (if they win the first match, it's hard but it's possible) so at and of regular season is better be the worst team instead the middle one -.-'
@Kjeldhor Me too. In our pool, just to say, Latina is the closest team to the semifinal after ending at the 9th place the regular season and saving from the A-2 on the last few rounds. CHE SCHIFO!
Said that, another embarrassing performance by Modena, who wasn't able to win a match played against Belluno, a team already aware to be out of semis (and where we've never been leading in the score except on the 1-0). As fan, I really hope to lose on today for finishing this once more pathetic season as soon as possible (for being able just to compare point ratio with Latina's,we must win 3-0 only - very unlikely). Several supporters criticize players who say them " Wanna play on my behalf? " (Manià, ndr) , I don't want to comment that, it speaks for itself...
Latina vs Modena 3-1!! Wow...i'm so happy for Prandi, who's a real gentleman as well as a walking Bible of italian volleyball. And i'm happy for Latina: they have been able to do what Roma should have and didn't!! Great match for Sottile!!
First words of GM Bruno Da Re in the post-match press interview " Who's actually confirmed for next season in the whole club? " answer: "Nobody, and if players don't hurry to take the shower, they're also going to remain in here" . Thunderstorms in sight...
Let's say COULD have won SOME matches more among those we "played" (did not) this year
Right for Latina and Belluno us to get out, finally, this revolting season is over.
Happy for Silvano Prandi who knocked out the team which dismissed him last year for just a couple of bad performances, well done!
Well, looking the matches here and the stats Modena lost most of the matches with good attack and defense, decent block and too many errors on serving. This kind of game can up some levels if the serving can get more reliable
We must wait a little longer to know the second finalist instead!! Cuneo-Macerata 2-3 (25-19; 23-25; 25-18; 22-25; 13-15). The "war" between these two teams goes on!!
the biggest error was letting Osmany on the court, i like when someone want still play whit a problem, that's the correct mind to win, but when u can't attack and can't defend u're not only usless, u're a problem for your team, Rado ask him 3 times if he would come to the bench and he refuse, but shouldn't was a question in that moment should was an order
First match of 2012/2013 Season: Italian SuperCup, Macerata vs Trento 3-2. Exciting match! Super Zaytsev (23 points); Savani 20 points, Kazyiski 21 points.
i agree with u handan that Macerata is the favourite for this match, and they are more spectacular, but spectacular doens't mean effective... in this moment Raphael is serving often Jan cause is so much effective than osmany atm
about Mikasa u're right, but we know that long time ago... in ECL Osmany never got so much aces as in the league, but he can learn how to serve ... just be patient, and at the same moment, floating service are more difficult to receive...
about the setting.. the fact is: trentino actualy won 28 set, lost 0 set. and in this month Stokr is in a great shape with a straordianry efficacy
and BTW Stokr attacked 113 balls, Osmany 72, and Matey 107, last year 681-552-576, the % are about the same...
I remember some years ago .. Trentino got in his roaster Stephan Hubner and Ryan Millar... we got something crazy like 5 block/set.. i'm missing that time T_T
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Ragazza, che fai mi quoti?? ? I've been saying this thing since WC ended...you can read it in ShoutBox too: i just wrote it last night LOL
About Birarelli, I agree. More than for the points he would have score, for the importance in blocking.
About Burgsthaler serve, I really can't see it as a Stoytchev tactical victory. If Zygaldo would have score an ace when Rado put him in court to serve (and set, considering that Sokolov was in for Rapha), that would have been also Rado's victory, but in the case of Burgsthaler I think he is the one that deservs all the credits (with the help of Parodi distraction)...
And I think that the coach can perfectly made a hell of a tactical studies and tell the player where to serve, but then it's all up to the player, if he serve like Lebl (or in the middle of the net) he will hardly grab smth... If he serve like Birarelli, that can may be make the difference.
BTW, I honestly think that the tactical of the serve isn't that complicated compered for example with block-defence! I mean, I guess a player can easily makes a good tactical serve choice even without suggestion... But of course if the coach tell you where to serve it isn't a good idea to do what do you want without listening it ?
COPRA ELIOR PIACENZA - ACQUA PARADISO MONZA BRIANZA 3-0
FIDIA PADOVA - CMC RAVENNA 3-0
ENERGY RESOURCES SAN GIUSTINO - CASA MODENA 3-1
ITAS DIATEC TRENTINO - TONNO CALLIPO VIBO VALENTIA 3-1
LUBE BANCA MARCHE MACERATA - ANDREOLI LATINA 3-1
M. ROMA VOLLEY - MARMI LANZA VERONA 1-3
Piacenza=fall and rise again ?
IDuring Season: Vladimir Nikolov – 5 points to 2500, Hristo Zlatanov – 2 points to 8000 (Copra Elior Piacenza).
8k point... take that Fadel =P
OMG, tonight Rome has to play vs Trento o_O
Yesterday was another suffering day for me: Rome lost, Vibo lost ? and Macerata was about to loose as well (they were eventually able to grab a tie-break win, which is not much...but at least something is better than nothing).
I hope to see something better in the playoffs.
Guys, can you tell me one thing if you know that: what happened to Marutti last match with Trento. All I know is that he and Osmany hit and Gabriele got injured in his ankle. What did occur exactly??
@Pearl I don't think that the B Team is weak, i haven't said that Pearl, but i expected a lot more from a team like Cuneo. Dai, da Cuneo ci si aspetta di più. xD
And before our friend Raylight posts something like "Ehi, what's this Italian Job here?" I formally apologize with him and all the other foreigner users for writing my comment in italian ?
Hahaha, per il fatto dell'italian job, dai, ho visto tanto di quel polish job qui su. Pur studiandolo, non capivo una cippalippa xD E comunque speriamo davvero che ci siano serie più avvincenti nei playoff, anche se vedo le cose già scritte fino alle semifiniali. Speriamo bene!
Cuneo today has not played to the best, Trentino with Dore and Lanza was more concrete in reception and then a great Sokolov has done the rest served by an excellent Zygadlo. The Trentino went on the field today is worth at least a sixth place in season.
Now, please, stop bullsh*ts and wake up guys!
anyway, De Cecco is injuried and Kooy must be operated
What about De Cecco? Very bad news for Monza...
http://www.gabecapallavolo.it/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=277:nessuna-lesione-al-dito-per-luciano-de-cecco&catid=3:ultime-notize&Itemid=53
@Kjeldhor: non ci hai capito perché non presti attenzione ragazzo...l'amore ti distrae LOL
@Daniel_e92: molto brevemente, mesi fa in questo stesso topic io e Kjeldhor aka "lo smemorato di Trento" ? stavamo discutendo di qualcosa inerente Trento e lo abbiamo fatto in italiano; ad un certo punto ray ha lasciato un commento dicendo "ehi, cos'è questo italian job qui?" ed abbiamo ripreso a scrivere in inglese. Poco tempo dopo, sotto un video relativo alla nazionale bulgara, si è sviluppata un'accesa discussione tra gli amici bulgari, fatta in bulgaro...ed io, per scherzare, mi sono intromessa chiedendo a ray "ehi, cos'è questo bulgarian job qui?"...da allora non è più finita hahahaha
Sorry guys for my OT
if a player got a little injury 1 years ago, and it still hurt.... i call it PROBLEM
Luckly for Macerata, Drago's sub there is Monopoli.
Unluckly for our NT, Drargo's sub there isn't Monopoli.
first match best team VS worst team
second match: the team who lost first match VS middle team
third match: middle team VS the tem sho win first match
So, the middle team MUST play 2 matches in 2 days, the worst team can have 1 free day (if they win the first match, it's hard but it's possible) so at and of regular season is better be the worst team instead the middle one -.-'
what a battle *-*
Said that, another embarrassing performance by Modena, who wasn't able to win a match played against Belluno, a team already aware to be out of semis (and where we've never been leading in the score except on the 1-0). As fan, I really hope to lose on today for finishing this once more pathetic season as soon as possible (for being able just to compare point ratio with Latina's,we must win 3-0 only - very unlikely). Several supporters criticize players who say them " Wanna play on my behalf? " (Manià, ndr) , I don't want to comment that, it speaks for itself...
trento did his work: easy 3-0 to roma
Right for Latina and Belluno us to get out, finally, this revolting season is over.
Happy for Silvano Prandi who knocked out the team which dismissed him last year for just a couple of bad performances, well done!
In Poland would not ended well!
http://dal15al25.gazzetta.it/2012/04/23/lattimo-fatale-di-assago/
http://www.trentinovolley.it/societa/storia/i-giocatori.html
about the setting.. the fact is: trentino actualy won 28 set, lost 0 set. and in this month Stokr is in a great shape with a straordianry efficacy
and BTW Stokr attacked 113 balls, Osmany 72, and Matey 107, last year 681-552-576, the % are about the same...
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