Savani had more serve attempts and less errors- it means, that his serve caused more damage on opponents.
If they would award players depending on statistics, tha statistic should be more detailed.
And I would like to add: I am not the one who think that Kurek is week- I think he's a world-class player, but he didn't deserve the award.
nope Savani has 35 errors, Kurek 28...official CEV stats
BTW: i don't like this stats. FIVB site is way better. Even Nowakowski has more block efficiency than Podrascanin
@kapitan_bomba,someone:
Savani 20 errors in these six matches. His stats include also the qualification to the ECh, but you can't count that!
And for Kurek I didn't count the 1/8, where he did 8 errors and no ace. So, 18 errors in 5 match, not six because he didn't play vs Slovakia. And with a match less it's normal that you have less serve attempts... And even with a match less he scored the same number of ace of Sava, and 2 errors less. So he deserved it. If you count 1/8 it's different.
And I still think that Mastro (for my point of view) was more impressive than Sava in serving, thinking about italian players.
I'm not in love with CEV stats too, because they count all togheter the preliminary torunament and the ECh, so it's quite hard to compare the players.
bah, I'm don't like how they gave the award. Also Bari deserved it less than Igla.
I think they seat around the table and chose the players. That can be in general a good idea, because stats aren't all, but it has to be judge very fairly.
I also didn't understand who they considerated, only player in "final4"?
because at the WCh the were awards for player that didn't reach the semifinal, like Tille, or the spanish best scorer (I don't rememebr who he is)... I thought it was the same for the ECh, even if it's normal that without matches for 8th-5th places the stats are in favour of who played more matches (that means, the semifinalist).
CEV provides statistics for the whole European Championships (including qualifications, where also played the Italians)! So Savani scored 16 aces in 40 sets (average 0,400/set). However Kurek scored 9 aces in 22 sets (average 0,409/set)! See it! Kurek simply deserved.
Zaytsev 0,408 (counting only the ECh), Milijkovic 0,25, Muserky 0,14 O.o
As I said, Kurek has better stats. Of course I didn't check every one. May be Vadelaux or N'gapeth have even better stats.
@Anty-PZPS: of course it doesn't make any sense to count also the qualification round. Without that Savani has 0,443; Kurek without 1/8 has 0,518. So, Kurek deserve it. I've already said that before.
I also checked the stats for reception: I didn't find the positive%, only the exc%, and Kovacevic has 39.1%... And if you think that Zaystev - who isn't the best receiver ever - has 48,85% of perfect reception, you'll see that probably they could have found somone else (I'm not saying Zaystev)
And about the best spiker...
Sorry for Mikhailov, but Savani deserved it. in this 6 matches he had in the order: 64,3%, 66,7; 40; 66,7; 68,7; 73,9 (*__*), for an average of 63,33%.
Mikhailov: 50%, 48,6%, 64,7%, 64,7%, 56,7%, 51,6%, 67,7%, for an average of 55,7 (actually it's 56,55 if you do the maths... this is the CEV tot).
the more I check the stats, the more I'm disappointed...
For Igla too, of course.
You're right Kk15, Savani should get the best spiker, I checked that too... he has both better attack % and effective % than Maxim...perhaps they took into account the older qualification matches?...In any case FIFB does the stats part better.
I didn't check, because I've never seen in CEV stats numbers for the digs, so I think it's impossible to use the stats to judge the liberos... And now in "player stat" I found only the exc% of reception, not the positive%, so...
BTW for the 4 liberos in final4:
name exc% rec eff in rec
Bari 40,9% 0,44
Ignaczak 39,1% 0,34
Sokolov 36,4% 0,3
Rosic 28,7% 0,29
@Kk15
Yes, we can't judge liberos (and other awards) only from stats, but stats are very helpful if its are full and reliable. Without digs stats it is hard to judge liberos. Very helpful would be statistics of teams which specific libero play with. When they have good service it is much harder to recieve. Libero don't only recieve, but sometimes also pass the ball. I think that Igła passed perfectly almost everytime.
proud is right, the thing with uniform happened in the game with serbians.
but anyway, this is nonsense, and if our volleyball federation president really says things like that, it's not just another shame, it's simply pathetic...
Serbia have won three European championships, one masked as Olympic games (Brazil lost to Argentina in the quarterfinal due to arrogance) and two normal AND IN ALL THREE THEY PASSED THROUGH RUSSIA AND ITALY
Considering so many people agree with me, I conclude that more people like that girl in the picture.
I demand somebody to make a mix of her just to please all the fans ?
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If they would award players depending on statistics, tha statistic should be more detailed.
And I would like to add: I am not the one who think that Kurek is week- I think he's a world-class player, but he didn't deserve the award.
BTW: i don't like this stats. FIVB site is way better. Even Nowakowski has more block efficiency than Podrascanin
PS: http://www.cev.lu/Statistics.aspx
Savani 20 errors in these six matches. His stats include also the qualification to the ECh, but you can't count that!
And for Kurek I didn't count the 1/8, where he did 8 errors and no ace. So, 18 errors in 5 match, not six because he didn't play vs Slovakia. And with a match less it's normal that you have less serve attempts... And even with a match less he scored the same number of ace of Sava, and 2 errors less. So he deserved it. If you count 1/8 it's different.
And I still think that Mastro (for my point of view) was more impressive than Sava in serving, thinking about italian players.
I'm not in love with CEV stats too, because they count all togheter the preliminary torunament and the ECh, so it's quite hard to compare the players.
bah, I'm don't like how they gave the award. Also Bari deserved it less than Igla.
I also didn't understand who they considerated, only player in "final4"?
because at the WCh the were awards for player that didn't reach the semifinal, like Tille, or the spanish best scorer (I don't rememebr who he is)... I thought it was the same for the ECh, even if it's normal that without matches for 8th-5th places the stats are in favour of who played more matches (that means, the semifinalist).
As I said, Kurek has better stats. Of course I didn't check every one. May be Vadelaux or N'gapeth have even better stats.
@Anty-PZPS: of course it doesn't make any sense to count also the qualification round. Without that Savani has 0,443; Kurek without 1/8 has 0,518. So, Kurek deserve it. I've already said that before.
I also checked the stats for reception: I didn't find the positive%, only the exc%, and Kovacevic has 39.1%... And if you think that Zaystev - who isn't the best receiver ever - has 48,85% of perfect reception, you'll see that probably they could have found somone else (I'm not saying Zaystev)
And about the best spiker...
Sorry for Mikhailov, but Savani deserved it. in this 6 matches he had in the order: 64,3%, 66,7; 40; 66,7; 68,7; 73,9 (*__*), for an average of 63,33%.
Mikhailov: 50%, 48,6%, 64,7%, 64,7%, 56,7%, 51,6%, 67,7%, for an average of 55,7 (actually it's 56,55 if you do the maths... this is the CEV tot).
the more I check the stats, the more I'm disappointed...
For Igla too, of course.
ok, it's better if I stop to poisoned my self =.=
I just feel terrible for Mastro and Sava ?
And what about Igła? Was there a better libero than him? I guess he was the best digger.
BTW for the 4 liberos in final4:
name exc% rec eff in rec
Bari 40,9% 0,44
Ignaczak 39,1% 0,34
Sokolov 36,4% 0,3
Rosic 28,7% 0,29
Yes, we can't judge liberos (and other awards) only from stats, but stats are very helpful if its are full and reliable. Without digs stats it is hard to judge liberos. Very helpful would be statistics of teams which specific libero play with. When they have good service it is much harder to recieve. Libero don't only recieve, but sometimes also pass the ball. I think that Igła passed perfectly almost everytime.
http://sport.wp.pl/kat,80634,title,Przegrali-bo-Muserski-zapomnial-majtek,wid,13804547,wiadomosc.html
Why did Russia lost the bronze medal match? Because Muserskiy forgot his briefs said president of Russian Volleyball Federation :)
dlaczego pan nie został najlepszym libero hehe
but anyway, this is nonsense, and if our volleyball federation president really says things like that, it's not just another shame, it's simply pathetic...
Considering so many people agree with me, I conclude that more people like that girl in the picture.
I demand somebody to make a mix of her just to please all the fans ?
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