Sorry for double posting but I just read the drawing for the playoffs 6 and I can't believe it...The winner of the italian duel will have to battle against...Trentino wtf
I hate to see two teams from the same country playing against eachother and this time two of the favorite for the final title will be eliminated before reaching the final four thanks to stupid CEV who gaves a free spot to Skra =(
Really unfair, especially that Skra didn't ask for it and they didn't want to host this final4. Maybe there will be a lot of supporters and CEV will earn some money but Skra can't prove that they deserve to be in finals. Unfair for others. Like lukasso21 wrote Final4 should be on neutral ground without hosting team.
tak lukasso, wiec finaly powinny byc na malcie albo w wielkiej brytanii. jak chcesz to ustawic na neutral ground hm ? zwlaszcza na taki teren gdzie organizacja przynioslaby zyski dla federacji. pod tym wzgledem zostaja do wyboru tylko Polska, rosja, wlochy, moze tez francja. normalna sprawa ze federacja wybiera miejsce tam gdzie bedzie zysk.
I hoped that it won't happen (not before final4 or play off 6) that two italian team will fight vs each others, and of course it will >.<
But the worst thing is that the winner of this match will fight vs Trento (if they'll win)!!
So, no more than one italian club in the final4, and we have with 3 teams at play off! ?(((
At least if Trento will win we can be sure an italian team will be at final4 no matter what...
And at least they won't travel so far.
(and think that in the Women CL it happened the same!!!!)
And the funny thing is that Cuneo and Macerata will play 3 times one vs the other one in a week!!
By coincidence between the two CL matches, the Italian championship match will be Macerata-Cuneo xD
May be in the championship match they won't use the usual starter...
Kk15 As far as I remember there can be 2 teams from the same country in the Final Four tournament. I can't see anywhere at cev.lu which winners gonna face other ones in play-off 6. If it's like winner of the first pair faces the second one then you're right, they're gonna bleed the Italian teams out.
How Piechocki could agreed for that? He should refused too and maybe that forced people in CEV to think over their politics. "Fans deserved for it" - yes and that was no so long time ago. Some fans would be happier if they could see Skra in fight with tough opponents and wait for it.
Why Italian teams play with each other? It's absurd like all CEV organization.
OMG again bełchatów... ? It is sad. There is no other cities and countries!? I am not intrested in CHL 2011/2012 from now. I only hope, that first three places will be occupied by teams, which really deserve it! Which will win it by playing volleyball, not paying... Thanks, see you next year.
I've just read somewhere that in Lokomotiv Novosibirsk-Lube Macerata match, Omrcen wasn't part of the team because of problems with his passport; as it seems he couldn't go through customs and was sent back to Italy.
wiecie co. naprawde zmienicie strone na antyskravolley.com. zal sluchac i czytac tych waszych komentarzy. jakby zaksa dostala organizacje to by wszyscy mieli podniete, a dostala skra, to jedziemy po piechockim i po belchatowie no i po cev. dajcie spokoj, to sie robi nudne. wystarczy ze pojawi sie jakis temat o skrze i od razu jest pierwszy pieniacz, nagor, ktory zawsze musi stwierdzic ze skra jest do dupy, ze oplacaja sobie finaly itd. resovii nie wolno tknac, zaksy nie wolno tknac, jw nie daj panie Boze, a skra ? jechac po niej rowno. i po niej, po wlazlym, po kurku. ludzie troche obiektywizmu. to jest byla i bedzie najlepsza polska druzyna. tyle w temacie . dziekuje za (nie)uwage. z tego portalu zrobila sie republika kolesiow. cya
Masz rację, że kibice mają relatywne podejście do wszystkiego, co jest związane ze Skrą. Niektórzy czasami naprawdę przeginają i piszą takie absurdy, że nawet nie warto ich komentować. Ale w tej sytuacji chodzi o coś innego. Kto się zarzekał, że jego drużynę stać na sportowy awans do ff i chcą to w końcu udowodnić? Zawodnicy też o tym często mówili. To teraz taka decyzja jest tego zaprzeczeniem. A ta wymówka, że "głupio było odmówić" jest przynajmniej niepoważna, i co gorsza utwierdza CEV w ich traktowaniu klubów, bo gdyby nikt się zgodził może dało by im to coś do myślenia.
Poza tym shinoda, skoro już tak wymieniasz te drużyny, to powiedz mi kiedy ostatnio zaksa, sovia albo jw organizowało finał ligi mistrzów. Zaskocz mnie, może coś przeoczyłem.
ludzie troche obiektywizmu. to jest byla i bedzie najlepsza polska druzyna. tyle w temacie .
No tak, to jest super obiektywne podejście. Po pierwsze, skąd wiesz co będzie za 50 lat? Może skra już nie będzie istniała, a może nawet miasto bełchatów zniknie z mapy. Po drugie, teraz może jest, ale czy zawsze była najlepsza? Nie.
Jeszcze raz polecam poczytać temacik, który podesłałem. Wypowiadają się tam m.in. kibice skry i (!) podzielają moje zdanie. Bo trzeba rozróżnić kibica polskiej siatkówki, czy skry bełchatów od skrofanów albo nawet kurkofanów.
Głupio było odmówić... haha jakoś inne drużyny nie miały tego problemu.
Overlook, dokładnie, mało tego, na jakimś portalu pojawił się artykuł, gdzie napisano coś takiego: zawodnicy skry, którzy chcą pozostać anonimowi również nie są z tej decyzji zadowoleni.
Niech to zdanie zakończy mój udział w tym 'sporze'.
Czekam na zwycięzcę LM, który zwycięży nie używając portfela.
Haha Berny you made me laugh ?
I will try to see the home match in Noliko =)
But honestly I give only a few chances to the belgians...Ok they didn't lose at home since two years but Trento is definitely the strongest opponent they could play against!
It will be a great match, I can't wait for it =D
For me the two russians and Trento or Macerata will complete the final four. In this case, the level will be extremly high as both these teams and Skra are heavy weights in europe =)
@Michal, yes I read that the winner of Cuneo-Macerata will play vs the winner of Trento-Maaseik
That's why this time it will be impossible having more than one italian team in the final 4 (while it will be possible to have 2 russian or 2 polish clubs), and that it's a bit sad considering that we managed to reach the play off with all the three teams ? (and the same in the female, even if the male teams did better)
I mean, it will be "painful" to me watching italian clubs eliminating each others... But if I have to choice I'm for Macerata.
SKRA was the second option to be a host. in the CEV they were thinking seriously about Trento. where was the last final four? excatly there. I think that two years in a row in the same place is not good option. not better than Bełtachow at least. even if they are the best and propably will win this editon too. I dont agree with idea FF in Poland, and for me its sad too. im not sure that SKRA is that strong to they can easily win two matches and be in the final four without hosting. I really would like to Polish Teams win qualifications with no using sponsors and money, but its still better option than Trento for me.
Nowa w LM niepisana reguła,
Skra po play-offach się nie tuła,
FF ktoś organizować musi,
nie będziemy przecież grać na Rusi,
Zenit niech sobie pomarzy,
potęgi Skry już nie podważy.
Ale zanim ustawicie gilotynę,
poznajcie tej decyzji przyczynę,
Wszak Piechocki nie chciał się pchać,
to Przedpełski finał kazał brać,
co będzie chłopak wydziwiać,
nie wypada szefowi się sprzeciwiać!
Skra ratować CEV po prostu musiała,
bo Grecja taki los federacji zgotowała.
Lecz kto mądry daje FF bankrutowi?
Włos się jeży nawet ignoranckiemu Czechowi,
Grecki Iraklis przysługę Skrze zrobił,
o awans za bardzo się nie głowił.
Bełchatów ma więc fajną wymówkę,
organizator odpadł? my zrobimy tę "domówkę"!
Piknik w Bełchatowie już uszykowany,
sklep kibica trąbkami naszpikowany,
leć! nie zwlekaj! idź wydaj stówkę!
w podzięce dostaniesz miodową krówkę!
I still can't understand why they didn't give it to Kazan. They asked for it and last year they showed they can reach the final without external help.
And I'm still uspet thinking that 6 italian clubs qualificated to CL play off and not more than 2 have a chance to be in the final4.
I hope it won't affect our CEV male ranking, considering that Modena "lost" at 1/32 of Challenge Cup.
I still can't understand why they didn't give it to Kazan. They asked for it and last year they showed they can reach the final without external help.
And I'm still uspet thinking that 6 italian clubs qualificated to CL play off and not more than 2 have a chance to be in the final4.
I hope it won't affect our CEV male ranking, considering that Modena "lost" at 1/32 of Challenge Cup.
nagor, to jest obiektywne podejscie. patrzac na ostatnie kilka sezonow chyba nie ma watpliwosci kto byl i jest najlepszy w Polsce. i bedzie, bo ma zaplecze finansowe, ma zaplecze w postaci mlodej plusligi. za 50 lat moze juz nie . ale 10 nastepnych jak najbardziej tak.
co do Twojego temaciku i tlumaczenia ze nawet kibice skry sa znudzeni - to nie jest zaden argument zeby jechac po skrze.
poza tym czytaj ze zrozumieniem. nie chodzi mi o to ze zaksa,resovia, jw nie dostaly f4. chodzi o to ze zadna z tych druzyn nigdy nie byla i nie bedzie w takim ogniu krytyki jak skra. chocby nie wiem co sie stalo, to zawsze skra bedzie zla. nie wiem skad w was taka nienawisc do belchatowa. jestem kibicem skry, ale mimo to jak graja polskie druzyny w pucharach to im kibicuje,a to co sie dzieje np w czacie pod transmisjami skry jest po prostu nie do wyobrazenia.
It is great honor for Poland to host final once again. Polish people will see the best volleyball players and this is reason to be satisfied and happy.
The draw was made with 4 stabilited couples that should have been sorted in different pools:
Bulgaria-Germany
Serbia-Italy
Finland-Spain
Slovenia-Slovakia (that were obligated, they couldn't be in the same pool of the team they met in the final of the prequalification tournament)
The first of poolA will play the semifinal vs the first of pool B and viceversa.
Najbardziej pokrzywdzeni są zawodnicy. Prezes dał im do zrozumienia w prostym przekazie: "Sorki chłopaki, jesteście za słabi, sami nie awansujecie. Nie wierzę w was." Skąd te wnioski? Po jednym meczu w Tours? Oni niestety boją się narzekać publicznie, bo w końcu kto podważy wolę prezesa. Decyzja im się nie podoba, ale chcą być anonimowi. Nie ma się co dziwić, sportowo nie awansowali do finału! Nie mieli takiej szansy.
dalej nie rozumiem do czego pijesz. dalej jest to powod zeby jechac po skrze ? \a to pierwszy komentarz pod artykulem
A może autor tych wypocin,dyrdymałow i steku oszczerstw tak po prostu po ludzku by się ujawnił !!! Bo nie wielu ludzi i kibiców wie kim jest ten pan ? Anonimowo pisać potrafi każdy - tylko nie każdy piszący potrafi spojrzeć kibicom w oczy.Sądzę że ten pan nie bywa nigdy na meczach Skry i już nigdy nie będzie na meczu w Bełchatowie.Nie chcę pisać czy ze strachu przed kibicami czy też ciężko było by spojrzeć ludziom w oczy !!! Szanujący się redaktor i piszący obiektywnie nigdy takiego artykułu nie napisałby.Wstyd że mamy takich prowincjonalnych "pismaków"
taki artykul moze napisac kazdy. czy to jakas osoba zwiazana z klubem , z zawodnikami ? zapewne nie . rownie dobrze ja taki sam artykul moge napisac o zaksie, ze np. zagumny psuje atmosfere w szatni. i tez tak od razu uwierzysz we wszystko co jest napisane ? spowzaniej bo chwytasz sie wszystkiego byle by tylko skra oberwala .
Śmieszy mnie, gdy mówiąc, że Skra nie jest drużyną ścisłego topu europejskiego (za powód podając choćby brak nawet jednego awansu do FF) słyszę podobne formułki jak poniżej, coś o oszczerstwach, wielkich słowach, podczas gdy to zwyczajne stwierdzenie faktu. Nie wiem jakie znaczenie ma tutaj jawność autora niżej zamieszczonego artykułu, równie dobrze ty powinieneś/aś się ujawnić, wytykając mu niesubordynację- tak dla dobrego przykładu. Co do samej Skry ja osobiście nie znam drugiej takiej drużyny (ba! nawet innego takiego produktu na naszym rynku, za które swoją drogą mogą być uznawane siatkarskie marki), wokół której byłoby tak wiele szumu i aury boskości i, kompletnie niewspółmiernych do jej realnej jakości, w tym wypadku suchych osiągnięć sportowych. Sam się zastanawiam, czy to pewnego rodzaju rekompensata, w postaci zwykłej propagandy, czy polityka klubu. Pamiętam jak krytyka (konstruktywna) Wojciecha Drzyzgi, który raczej w przypadku Skry zawsze zwykł przeginać w drugą stronę spotkała się z natychmiastowym odzewem prezesa, który ironicznie nazwał komentatora Polsatu ekspertem od wszystkiego, a to dlaczego? Ponieważ delikwent śmiał stwierdzić fakt, że Skra nie grała w danym okresie dobrej siatkówki, i że póki co ruchy transferowe nie przynoszą porządanych rezultatów. Kolejnym czynnikiem, który pozwala Skrze przyciągnąc szeroką rzeszę "fanów" jest coraz śmielsze zachowanie zawodników mistrza Polski na boisku. O ile we wcześniejszych latach to raczej marketingowe zabiegi spotykały się z falą krytyki, o tyle teraz zawodnicy buńczucznymi zachowaniami i brakiem jakichkolwiek zahamowań w stosunku do sędziów nie pomagają w budowaniu wizerunku- najswieższy przykład dzisiejszy mecz z Resovią, kiedy to nie wiadomo w jakim celu próbowali negować decyzje podejmowane przy pomocy systemu challenge, szczerze mówiąc wykosztowałbym się na płytkę DVD i nagrałbym wszystkie te weryfikacje, które były powodem tak żywiołowych reakcji, jeden także dla zarządu, choć i tak zapewne znając odporność na fakty zostałoby to określone jako "rzucanie kłód" pod nogi i przejaw zwykłej zawiści pod adresem kogoś, kto w siatkówce osiągnął wszystko, prawda?
http://www.volley24.pl/index.php/2012011417674/Puchar-CEV/Final-Four-za-drogie
Tutaj są słowa wypowiedziane przez prezesa Skry przed czwartkowym losowaniem.
Mówiąc, że Skra kupiła poraz kolejny F4 to idiotyzm i wszyscy anty-fani Skry sami nie wierzą w to iż nie awansowała by bez organizacji tego turnieju. Przypomina mi się sytuacja gdy Skra w poprzednim sezonie pokonała Trento 3:0, wygrała z Kazaniem 3:0 ale niestety przegrała złotego seta. Wtedy wszyscy przeciwnicy Bełchatowskiego klubu milkneli i udawali jakby tej sytuacji nie było. Nie wiem czemu zamiast cieszyć się, że w Polsce poraz kolejny będzie organizowany taki turniej, nasza montalność na to nie pozwala. Marketing też jest częścią sportu i dla przypomnienia powiem, że to działacze CEV chcieli orgaznizować Final Four w Łodzi a nie działacze Skry.
@Sllaveq, its about organise Final Four by Skra. One side maintain that Skra once again buy final and get ther unsportsmanlike and second side to be of an opinion that its not Skra fault. That was request from CEV and Skra had no other choice.
That is short version this conflict.
I read your comment
"It is great honor for Poland to host final once again. Polish people will see the best volleyball players and this is reason to be satisfied and happy."
And I think exactly the same.. that's why I don't understand why you argue so much.. be happy! I want Theese teams in Bulgaria but it will never be.. take your chance to watch great volleyball!
Drewson widzę, że mentalność prezesa ci się udziela. Patrząc racjonalnie, jako, że nigdy się nie dowiemy czy Skra by awansowała (wiemy jedynie, że jeszcze nigdy nie awansowała) pozwól mieć innym swoją opinię na ten temat, skoro sam zarzucasz "antyfanom" negowanie czegoś, co nie będzie mialo miejsca. Ja na podstawie wojaży Skry od początku LM mam prawo twierdzić, że przegrałaby po raz kolejny, zważając na to, że od razu w pierwszej rundzie trafiłaby na kogoś z 1 miejsc: Trento/Cuneo/Zenit/Lokomotiv/Arkas. Co z tego, że Skra wygrała z Trentino 3:0 w grupie (pomijając fakt, że Juantorena na boisku był właściwie w teorii, bo był po chorobie, a Kazijski wrócił dopiero co z wakacji), skoro 2 tygodnie później w meczu o stawkę w Doha zostali wbici w parkiet? ZAKSA też wygrała z Trento, i nic z tego nie wynikło. Przykład meczu z Zenitem już bardziej do mnie trafia (gwoli ścisłości w Kazaniu było 3:1 a nie 3:0) tam Skra grała naprawdę dobrą siatkówkę, ale była drużyną słabszą gdy towarzyszyła im presja, a Rosjanie wręcz odwrotnie- najlepiej zagrywali w najważniejszych momentach, cyt złotym secie. No i dodatkowo ten lament zawodników Skry po przegranej rywalizacji i pretensje do reguł, które de facto były znane PRZED rozpoczęciem całych rozgrywek troche u mnie zneutralizowały dobre wrażenie po całkiem fajnej grze. Co do twojego, a właściwie powielonego tłumaczenia zarządu jakoby Skra nie miała innego wyjścia niż wziąć tą organizację, to nawet nie będę komentować, bo to śmieszne. Czyli wychodzi na to, że bezpieczniej zorganizować kolejny turniej nie ryzykując porażki w play-off zakładając, ze i tak by się sportowo awansowało, przecież to takie "codzienne". Grunt to pozytywne myślenie ; )
taka jest prawda, ze moze prezes jest kontrowersyjny, ff4 tez itd. ale to nie o to tutaj chodzi. skra nawet po meczach wspanialych (3-0 z trento, kazan, nawet przegrany 3-1 mecz na wyjezdzie z trento) nigdy nie byla doceniana. wtedy wlasnie ludzie typu nagor milkli,a jak sie powinela noga to od razu krytyka. ja sie nie udzielam, nie pluje na zakse jak przegrywa z olsztynem w fatalnym stylu, wiec tego samego oczekuje od innych "krytykow"
Why not Wegiel? Poland actually has important role in keeping volleyball popular so I don't mind to get final fours, but Wegiel for me deserves more that. They reached FF without hosting, they played great at the WCH in Doha, they deserve more for 2011-2012 to get FF
Bardzo ciekawe komentarze, ale po przeczytaniu informacji o tym, że F4 będzie w naszym kraju odniosłem dwa wrażenia. Jedno to duża radość, że finały będą u nas ?, a drugie to to, że skra znowu loguje się do F4 bez awansu w bezpośredniej wacle...jestem zdegustowany tym faktem i co jak kibic polskich klubów na arenie międzynarodowej ma sobie pomyśleć? Włoskie zespoły co sezon pojawiają się w F4, owszem mają potencjał i pieniądzę, ale nie kupują sobie finał.
Zdaję sobie pytanie czy SKRA to marka międzynarodowa, hm..może tak może nie, ale daje bardziej dzowni we Włoszech i Rosji, niż w naszym kraju. Ażeby sytuacja się zmieniła SKRA musi coś teraz ugrać w tegoroczynm F4 takie jest moje osobiste zdanie.
@Kk15: No, they couldn't. Maybe my recollection is wrong but last year FF was in Bolzano. Two Champ. Leag. FF in a row in Italy??? Mmmm...I don't think so.
My comment was ironic, I meant that if the hall will host 6400 people at max, there was no need to chose Lodz for the third time, when Belcathow didn't even propose! (The meaning of Lodz was being sure of having a big and still absolutly full home, as far as I understand... And if is probably true that only in Poland is possible to fill a 10.000 seats arena for a CL finals, with 6400 seats it's a different...)
I can't believe they assigned the final4 without even knowing if the Arena was free!!
Skra players want more playing in MOSiR hall than in Atlas Arena. Stands are closer to the court and acoustic is better. Fans can made bigger noise than in Atlas Arena. I other hand F4 will be watch by 5.000 less fans...
I suppose you don't understood me...I mean that if any hall had 25000 seats in Poland in F4 will be around 25k people...so is better for fans who want watch game. But this problem is solved already cause f4 will be held in Atlas Arena? Best regards KB
yes, i think that movies using songs protected by copyrights will be deleted (about 80% of all movies), and all movies using video protected by copyrights will be deleted too (99%) videos.
There will be only section 'Me playing volleyball' and several movies like aargoTV.
The Greek Center, injured last night Lotto Dome during the first set, jumping, will in fact fra today and tomorrow in all exams necessary to understand the extent of his problem and indicate the recovery time.
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Last year I loved Cuneo, but this year with the guys from the NT I can't avoid be fan of Macerata ? (and honestly Cuneo wasn't funny to watchas it used o be the last season, but today was)
But today I'm so disappointet by Macerata that I saw this match more like "Macerata lost" than "Cuneo won"
BTW, if it will be Trento-Cuneo I'll support Cuneo, even if I think Trento would have a better chance in the finl4 than Cuneo (and also than Macerata)
I agree with Kk15: i'm so disappointed by Macerata's season so far, and also a little bit worried by the poor performances of some NT players (Sava and Travica mostly). I have some things to say about it, and i would like to discuss with other italian friends here, but i don't know whether to open a specific discussion in one of the Italy-related forums or do it here. Kjeld, Kk15 and others, can you tel me what you prefer??
No dear!! I didn't say that we'll be discussing the matter in Italian, I said that i don't know if it's worth opening a specific discussion in an italian forum!! (but maybe it is!!)
"Italian job" or "Bulgarian job" only refers to comments posted in our native languages....you should know that ?
I only use this forum right now, so I'll prefer if the topic will be opened in "Serie A" Fanclub.
I honeslty won't open a thread like the one pearl suggest in Trentino forum, I know it is open to evryone but it would be inappropiate to comment about Macerata/italian players in Macerata there...
ZAKSA with Samica as a middle, Witczak...and many more - the weakest part of season for them. Arkas is a kind of black horse to reach a F4 in this year...we will see
So far Lube, Trento, Zenit, Arkas, Vfb, Novosibirsk at play off 6. Nice to notice that not only the first classificated won?
The matches will be Lube vs Trento, Zenit vs Vfb, Arkas vs Novosibirsk.
BTW, the one between Cuneo and Macerata was a thrilling battle!
Yesterday after match Trentino x Noliko I was very disappointed with shape of Noliko. Maan was really out of game and substituted Kevin was bad too. I want to congrats to Pieter VERHEES. He played really good in attack and he had dangerous serve. Thanks Noliko for watching you this season of CHL.
Trento played very badly (especially Matey), reception very bad,skipe difficult, so aside from the third set has struggled so much for demerits to merits of the opponent.
Matey didn't use power and played on less risk (playing on less risk won the match for Trento), do you honestly expect him to be MVP in every match? There is Opposite in this team
Matey yesterday played evil. He has also held him in the end-game to a local newspaper saying that 'having done more damage than other'.
It does not claim nothing ,yesterday was not good for the team as a whole, when there is we must be honest to admit it.
@Handan is not true ,often distribution and homogeneous on three ,as it is not true that Matey and Osmany play better with Lukasz .The two our setter are different and it is possible that in a lot better games with one and another with the other,are all and two excellent.
I am so angry with the CEV,that rejoice to see that all the italian teams have past the round (both the female and male) in all the cups.Logically apart Cuneo and Pesaro to blame for derby.
At least now we are sure that we will have a team in the final 4, thanks to Trento and Villa Cortese ?
BTW, great new, I read that they'll use The "challenge system" (is it the right name) for the final4! Each team can ask twice a set to check with the tv the decision of the referees, and if they'll be right they still keep the 2 opportunities.
Now I'm really glad they choose Poland ?
And, I realized it now, also because Polsat rocks and it is always a pleasure to enjoy the slow motion ?
Challenge system is big help for referees and teams to calm down players and coaches, when they don’t agree with decision, it should be standard everywhere. But it still needs some improvements and I’m a little afraid how it will be look in FF. First of all for foreigner referees it will be first time with it. They will judge some matches in PlusLiga earlier but 1 or 2 it’s not enough I think. Second of all players need to know exactly what they want to check and what they can check (for example they can’t check block’s touch), they have 5 second to ask for challenge, so must make quick decision. In our league it has been for some time, but sometimes it’s really problematic, for example when both team ask for challenge in the same action. Knows referees they could lose control?
In last ff of women’s polish cup was challenge system (in league it’s not use) and players didn’t ask for it often, I think because they weren’t used to. And there was situation that one team wanted check net’s touch. Challenge showed that there wasn’t net but also showed other mistake. Referee saw it but must give point to the team, which made mistake. So it wasn’t fair but in accord with rules.
But maybe my faith in referee is to small and my predictions’re baseless. I hope it’s like that?
marchst, I’m surprised that too:-)
Only the captain of the team (or a player acting as a captain, if the captain himself is not on court) can ask for challenge and they have only 5 seconds after finished action to do that.
If there are any movies with full PLusliga games from this season on vball-movies (haven't checked that as I watch them somewhere else), I think there is a good chance you can see the challenge system being used.
About two challenges in one action: there was situation like that in some match. When the action was finished referee gave point to one team. Opponents asked for check net’s touch. Challenge showed there was net, so referee changed decision. Then first team said that earlier one of opposite’s player had crossed the line and they asked for check it. They were right if I remember well, so referee once again changed decision, because that mistake was made earlier than net’s touch.
Can you explain me how did they choose Matey for MVP against Treviso and he had only 8 points ? . For example Osmany had 20 ? . I didn't watch the match so what's happened ?
Why Macerata should be advantaged more than Trento using Mikasa?
Mikasa first influence - I guess - is on reception, and Trento is more used to play with a worst reception than Macerata, probably... And may be the second think Mikasa influences is the serve, and Macerata is the one that usually commette more serve errors... What do you think about Mikasa and about the influence it can have on a match?
I lost my plus on the comment: The meaning was that he didn't deserve it. It could be understood the other way around which is the main reason why I wrote it like that, to test how many will read it positively and how many will not
I don't think Trento is all serve and Juantorena, for example I think that Rapha makes a huuge difference (about that, i suggest the article written by Jack Sintini on Dallari Volley). And Trento has a very low level of errors, and I think this one is their first strenght, not making any gift and using all the gift the other team makes.
But it's also true that vs a team like Macerata the difference can be made, in effect, with a serve run.
I mean, Macerata has the skill to limitate Trento strenght (or to use its vs Trento, e.g. the serve), so in this case it can actually be a good serve run that makes the difference! (and in effect it happened!)
Considering that Juantorena is the best server of the league and imo also of the world, right now, he is the main "alarm", but we saw that also Brugshtaler was important, like in the match of the italian championship Stokr was, or like Savani was for Macerata during the first set.
Probably Macerata stressed to much this point (stopping Juantorena's serve run), at least in their minds, so as soon they failed in it they got nervous...
BTW, in this period Macerata shows they can be truly focused only for 2 sets and half in a match.
Well, at least this time they were able to focus on the right sets ?
BTW, of course I know that it isn't end AT ALL, I didn't think "ok, now they'll be in the final4 for sure" not even for a second, but I'm absolutly glad for the victory itself and for how it developed ?
BTW, today Kovar replaced Parodi well (damn Simo, I thought you moved on with your amazing performances during the final4!), but he was moony in serve, he did or errors (mostly) or aces xD
Also Monopoli replaced Travica well, with good personality!
But I guess that my MVP is Podrascanin, even if I loved Savani and Igor determination.
i'm afraid it's not! "Una rondine non fa primavera/a swallow doesn't make a spring" (have no idea whether this italian idiom makes any sense translated into english this way).
BTW, this and the final of Italian Cup matches made me so mad about the fact that there will be no chanche to see both team in the final4 ?
But yes, I'm "a bit" partial ?
Few stats, if you need a translation don't mind to ask ? (I'm in a god mood ?)
about Lube attack--> Grazie a Monopoli la Lube passa dal 30% del 1° set, al 48% del 2° per poi arrivare al 59% (3° set), 62% (4° set) e addirittura 69% (5° set). Da rimarcare sono anche le prestazioni di Savani (70% in attacco, 1 muro e 4 ace), Stankovic (64% in attacco e 3 muri) e Podrascanin (77% in attacco, 3 muri). In casa trentina i migliori sono il solito Juantorena (62% in attacco e 4 ace) ed un ritrovato Kaziyski (61% in attacco, 2 ace).
I read somewhere that Birarelli suffered from the beginnings of pneumonia (like me right now :< )... no surprise if he didn't play at hs best (i don't know how he played actually 'cause i scarsely watched the match).
Are all of you gonna keep saying this now? Okay he needs rest, so as Savani for example. Played as many matches or even more, because:
a) he got to final round of ECh
b) he played at WC in Japan
and before some freak will try to reply for these points don't compare friendly matches in Italy to 11 matches of WC in Japan. Even those I think two matches in Serie A when Kovar played instead of him, still Savani played more.
And Savani is older. So as you see there are a lot of players who need break. Okay we all know Rado is makes him play every match and that's sucks. But how many times we gonna say that?
I think it would be great that trentino doesn't reach the finals.. because if they do you know already who's gonna win. Now as it looks so far with Macerata,Zenit,Lokomotiv and offcourse Skra I don't know who will be the winner.. Zenit is the favorite, but also Skra is a great team. and you may not underrated Macerata.. I think Lokomotiv would be 4th.. but places 1,2 and 3 would be very close ?
"he didn't play at hs best (i don't know how he played actually 'cause i scarsely watched the match)"
In fact Birarelli didn't play ? I was on court only for a serve run and to raise (is it the correct word?) the block once or twice.
What I meant was that with Bira probably Trento will be able to do a better job in block.
@champion: you where honest and said that you would like Stoytchev to think about Bulgaria squad destiny, and you also admit that it was quite selfish, an thanks for the sincerity...
But let me say... WHAT? This is being professional for you?! Putting Bulgaria interests upon Trento while he is training Trento???!!! Now Stoytchev MUST think in Trento prospective, not in Bulgaria prospective!!! Right now he have to forget he is Bulgaria coach!
That's why I agree on the fact that coaches shouldn't train at the same time a NT team and a club: because imo it's impossiblr to focus 100% on both, even if you are the most committed coach in the world, because there will be moments when you have to stay with the club and let the NT with someone else or viceversa (e.g.: Stoytchev came later to Bulgaria because Trento reach the V-day; Stoytchev came later to Trento because Bulgaria was playing the ECh); and because you can risk to put one team's needs upon the other team, and that cant' be considered a good way to work (but I don't think Stoytchev is doing that)
Zyta if you're going that way, comparing loads of games that might affect on players' exhaustion I think there's one thing you're missing- the time. Savani joined his NT in 2009, focusing only on Serie A till then (well that's true he improved very late), while Kaziyski started full national-club regime like 5 years before. Therefore your example is quite irrelevant.
@march: isn't too much important those 6 match.. because in November Italy (travica, savani,, ecc.. and Omrcen too whit his NT) was engaged whit World Cup but Osmany, Matey and Raphael were in Trento to keep training ?
Of course I'm not trying to defend Kaziyski, he's a professional so that's his problem. There are so many class players that carried much more than Matey did during their careers.
i don't want forgot those match... i'm just saying that Trento played 6 more match but Italy played 11 more matches, so if we were tired Italian plyer should be more then us
Zyta, I already looked there, but I guess the stats have not been updated yet.
what stats you talk about? Stats from this match? I have seen them, so yes, they are there.
But let me say... WHAT? This is being professional for you?! Putting Bulgaria interests upon Trento while he is training Trento???!!! Now Stoytchev MUST think in Trento prospective, not in Bulgaria prospective!!! Right now he have to forget he is Bulgaria coach!
It's not exactly like that. At this level if someone is coach in the club and NT must think about both. He can't say "okay screw NT right now, you play everything" and then be surprised Matey is crawling on court. Also he needs to think about guys who plays in the other clubs, keep in touch with their coaches etc etc. Of course he has some guys for him to care about this, but that's how it looks right now. And it's not always perfect, but there need to be cooperation between clubs, otherwise players will be in trouble.
Besides come on, is Matey so necessary on court right now? Before Raylight will come and throw stats in my face (BTW do you know that most titled team in this decade - Brazil - doesn't care that much about stats like Italians/Bulgarians/Russians/Poles? And look when this tactic took them ?), even he must admit that Matey is not shining bomber right now and he calmly can spend some matches on a bench to get some rest, while Della Lunga will beat Ravenna for example. I'm not saying give him a rest against Macerata (but seeing his performance on Sunday I would say why not), but weaker teams yes. Osmany and Stokr can handle that, while Dore will just help in reception.
Michal I get your point, but as you said there many players who carried much more. And for example in Brazil they play twice a week + they have to traveling long distances. Do you think anyone there complain or fans crying because of those poor guys? No. If they cry it's now only about Giba, because there is a risk he may not be able to play Olympics.
It was not related to you, i have understood what you mean. It was Zyta not to appoint these Matchs.
okay 5 matches of club champs, 1 of supercup. Still 6 < 11, got it, dude?
There are more interesting things to be discussed in this topic for sure :-)
really? ? so why you started? But I should get use to that in this vball world some topics will never end (even we have said everything, there is nothing new to add, but we will still discuss some points).
Short, quick list of TOP6 never ending stories:
- Kaziyski and taking rest
- Kaziyski and being god
- Bulgaria and being top class team
- Bulgaria against rest of the world or Bulgaria as a victim of cheaters
- Rado and being bad/good coach
- Simon and being the best
Then some topics which are mentioned here, but they are not such popular like on webforums of countries they are about.
Poland:
- Wlazly and NT
Brazil:
- Ricardo vs. Bruno
Russia:
- Russia and mentality
Italy:
- Italy and behaviour on court
Forgive me if I missed any point. I don't have anything in my mind about the rest.
"It's not exactly like that. At this level if someone is coach in the club and NT must think about both"
Of course it is inevitable, that's why I wrote that I disagree with being coaches of NT and club. Because it's impossible to avoid thinking about both teams, but that should be the most professional things to do, imo.
Fo example I honestly apreciate what Berruto is doing: beside the fact that he has a lot of time to watch - also live - the matches with his guys (and his opponents ?, he also spends time with the younger (1996-95 ish), travelling all around Italy and joining the Regional Day of each region to watch their best seletion and to program how to develop our volleyball.
BTW, Zyta, in the last match vs Macerata Matey played quite well ?
Zyta is right about the need of Matey to rest. I don't compare him to other players, more or less heavy loaded with matches, because first it is irelevant from rational point of view - if he is tired, someone else's freshnes is not an argument not to give him a rest, and second - he gets the toughest points and spikes hard, which is much more tiring than low block-defense oriented technical spikes of normal spikers.
If Matey Kaziyski is the God of volleyball, Zyta is an atheist, screaming "I don't believe in you" in his face, wearing copper armour in the middle of great lightning storm ?
God? He can barely be called an angel, his powers are really limited. With those limitations the best teams would put him in square for subs. He's okay, can be useful sometimes...
if he is tired, someone else's freshnes is not an argument not to give him a rest
did I say he does not deserve to have some rest? No. He does. And I feel sorry for him. I really do. But talking all the time only about him taking rest like no one other need it too is just making him such a poorly victim. And boring.
he gets the toughest points and spikes hard, which is much more tiring than low block-defense oriented technical spikes of normal spikers.
just like mentioned Savani doesn't care such points. No, no one basically. Only Matey cares about these actions and points. In every existed team maybe, huh?
PS. Volleyball is not a simple game. It takes time & dedication in order to understand it properly. Why cant you (pro fans) help us with that? :-) .... or at least help me, please!
hahahaha. I will try do my best.
BTW, Zyta, in the last match vs Macerata Matey played quite well ?
this is what I'm talking about. I'm saying during this season - WHOLE SEASON - he is shining like before. And you must admit that (I'm not talking to you Ray). And then someone is talking about ONE MATCH. I don't care. He played better, okay, sometimes he will. But three days earlier he played terrible. Which shows he has ups and downs, while in the past he was quite stable at this point.
PS. We becoming masters of TOP6 topics. Discussing two of them in one conversation, hell yeah.
I see you got the amnesia. Back in the days when Trento were about average team with Andre Nascimento, Andre Heller, Stefan Hubner, Marco Meoni, Michal Winiarski, they achieved nothing. Zero, niente, nada. Out of the midst of Moscow, Radostin Stoychev and Matey Kaziyski came on Italian ground. Vladimir Nikolov flied from Japan where he was big. From Piacenza came Nikola Grbic. Trento won their first scudetto having no traditions at all. Later Vladimir Nikolov arrived in Cuneo along with Grbic and they became the second power in Serie A1. Winiarski went to Skra, Jauntorena came. Trento didn't stop winning cups and titles. In the beginning they had very simple strategy - Matey scoring the tough points or deciding the match with series of aces. When that became insufficient, the Dark Knight appeared with his serve. When that became insufficient, they started defending spikes, started loading the opposite position with tough points more often and crushed Cuneo. Now that is too insufficient, so what will be next? Whatever is it, Trento would win nothing without Radostin and Matey and much less without Nikolov, Grbic or Juantorena. This is the best team in the world. Other teams can only dream about to capture the contracts of Osmany or Matey. They are nothing special, right?
Out of the midst of Moscow, Radostin Stoychev and Matey Kaziyski came on Italian ground.
Ja, ja and saved this ground from scarcity. Got it.
Trento won their first scudetto having no traditions at all.
As far as I know, from watching vball, players play and winning, not traditions.
HCLT is right. You are totally desperate. You have no answer for my arguments, so you brought me shortcut of Trento's history, which is not the point right now, as we don't talk about Matey being special (gotta add this to my list and change it to TOP7). Moving, totally.
I didn't think we are arguing. "Other players are tired too" was not an argument. I agreed with you that he doesn't show his best this season and needs some rest. About the toughest points, look what passes he got in Italian Cup final after bad reception and why exactly he had so low efficiency in attack. This is old style Trentino, Trentino gives much more responsibility to other players now and Matey doesn't score 30+ points since the match with Olympiacos as guests. Still spike by spike attempt he is loaded like Zaytsev in Roma, not like Savani in Macerata
Still spike by spike attempt he is loaded like Zaytsev in Roma, not like Savani in Macerata
you've got to be kidding me right now. Zaytsev when it comes to choose most loaded player in the team during the match has no opponents at this point. He passes most of the balls and spike most of the balls and there is nothing to compare, because as you said Matey has some support right now. Besides I did not say he is in bad form because he doesn't score 30 points per match. But again we coming back to how you see this sport and I don't want to discuss this point.
I'd really like to say something
I had nothing against team Bulgaria,Kaziyski or Trentino before an army of moaning bulgarians appeared on this website.
they're so annoying that now every time when i read here the words "matey" or "bulgaria" i can't but try to restrain a vomitting reflex, and i bet i'm not the only one.
bulgarians, i don't know what your aim is, but do you realize you do nothing but get everyone around here against bulgaria?
PLEASE stop...volleyball-movies needs a rest from your moanings as much as Matey Kaziyski needs rest from court
Now, off-handedly does somebody really believe that Macerata could beat Trentino and go to next round of CL? Hopefully i Believe ?)) Regards for everyone ?
Since Bulgarians are running the show here, kate, we will do whatever we like to do if we do not break the rules of the site and nobody will tell us what to do. You are not obliged to read our posts. Do I hate Poland NT because there are so many fans here, talking all the time about the players? No. Do I hate Osmany for stealing the show? No. So you have no excuse for your feelings of hero of Dostoevsky
Something else to say: I am tired of listening moaning about our moaning about Bulgaria and Matey. We are free to speak whatever we want if we don't break the rules and the man or woman that can stop me talking hasn't been born yet. Hate me or love me, watch me while I roll ;)
raylight,
i know that any my respond to you with cytating and stuff will be a waste of my time, so i won't care about it.
and besides, i am way too well bred to tell you what you are.
instead, i strongly recommend you to hire a psychoanalyst, very experienced and expensive one, to deal with your self-steem problems, which, as far as i can see, are very serious (evidentially, go from your childhood).
if a good specialist won't help you, you're desperate
I don't care what "people" think. All "people" answer to arguments are insults like kate who never ever said any thank you for my work on Russian volley uploads and I will not say you, kate what you are, because, frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. Think what you want, say what you want, behave as nature told you to behave, live you life. Just don't mess with my rights.
Zyta, outside of this forum I have a real life with real people who take me seriously enough. Why should I want anything here? I am number one in this site, this is the most serious you can get.
P.S. Only stupid people say that the words of other people are crap if they don't agree with them. You can't be smart and lack manners, because if you never doubt in yourself you can't be smart. The question is why do you want to be perceived as stupid?
kate who never ever said any thank you for my work on Russian volley uploads
since when anyone should be grateful? Maybe she should send you flowers as well?
Congratulations dude! You’ve maybe reached the lowest point of your turbulent and desperate career on v-movies. Calling me stupid makes you feel better? I hope so because you seem to have this urge of battling against everyone. You and your quotes out of place, your “friends” found by convenience as they get rejected as you are, your crazy attempts to impress with a knowledge you lacks… Keep calling me stupid, it’ll make a huge difference in my life and in my participation here.
So you’re number one on v-movies? Wow! Do you wanna a medal? Another flowers? Maybe you want your nickname in green, as you already complained about that, which is pathetic actually? Please, give us some break from your whining and behave like a man, starting by treating girls decently. Neither Kate nor I have given you a reason to be so rude.
You said you have a life outside here… I don’t give a damn too, but it’s hard to believe now when you brought the subject. I remember last Christmas, when you were posting like a freak, but said at some point you had just finished watching a movie with your family. Ray, you had been posting something every five minutes, some of those posts were really long ones. It’s hard to believe you exist outside here, but I don't care anyway, just saying this once you mentioned that while talking to me.
You can stop using YouTube videos to mock those who oppose to you. We all know you’re just copying once again a guy you really want to be, but he’s so much smarter than you.
Friedrichshafen vs. Kazan, that's an easy guess. With Venno (and even more important Böhme as middle) there would've been a slight chance for the Germans due to that stupid golden set rule. During the pool stage they defeated Kazan. The Russians suffer from Volkov's absence, young Gutsalyuk can't close this gap. Regarding Friedrichshafen's current situation, playing without both opposites and putting a starter from the middle position on the opposite instead, makes the whole thing an impossible mission.
Izmir vs. Novosibirsk, a little bit more difficult. There's no doubt about the Russians being stronger, individually and as a team. But since the golden set rule gives the hometeam such a huge advantage, Izmir still has a chance. They won all matches at home so far, which should give them some confidence, even though they didn't host any topteam. Agamez and Joao Bravo having a good day will be essential.
Novosibirsk already played in Turkey during the pool stage, crushing Fenerbace 3-0. They are a good example for the new russian mentality. A very good setter along with fast wingspikers and Sanchez as opposite are hard to beat for every team left in the competition. If they manage to advance to the F4, which they should, they really can make a run and cause a surprise.
Trentino vs. Macerata, the top match. The recent matches between those teams gave a good impression what's gonna happen: If Macerata is able to put on pressure with their serves, what they will definitely try, and don't start to choke as seen during the italian cup, they can win the match. In this case it will be for Juantorena and Stokr to keep Trentino in the match. If Macerata doesn't play on their limit, we will see a blowout.
In case of a golden set, it's hard to make a prediction. Both team proved to be able to win a tiebreak. Still, I would bet on Trentino in this case.
I have a plan to go to Łódź, but I need Macerata there...i saw Trento and i want to see other team...so i keep my finger crossed for Lube... but this solution could be really hard
So, this year one semifinal will be like the last final!
Arkas was a big surprise to me, congratulation!
The fact that Trento won can't actually be a surprise, but I honestly thought that Macerata had a really consistent chance to get the final4... Unofrtunally it seems they wasted it ?
But I'm really glad that there will be again an italian team to cheer for, and I'm ready to support the impressive and huge Trento in this (not really new ?) adventure!
After all, only the first playoff6 match was like I expected...
Remember that if Lokomotiv has won , Belchatów would play against Trentino , so it is not thaks to our federation but also thanks to luck and Arkas. It was known a long time ago so I am surprised that you are so shocked ?
Well then, CEV would have to move Final4. I don't say that I like this law, but if it's law, I can't see why some team coming to the country where the law is valid, should be excluded from observing it. Law is the same for everyone and there shouldn't be any exceptions.
No, marchst, the law was valid then too, but as far as I know Zaksa didn't inform Trento about it, so they came with their usual T-shirts and played in them.
I personally don't like that law and I think it's stupid. But I also don't understand why some team should be excluded from it. I imagine that when foreigners come to your country, you expect them to abide by your country's law? I do because I respect other countries' laws whenever I visit them, even if I think they're weird or useless.
If the law is there and must be done always observe,that centers the Zaska that did not warn you.
You don't have other meshes ?games with those from your workout.
Do not share the fact that today no ,a month ago yes!
Marchst, I'm sorry but I really don't understand what you mean. I don't mean to offend you but your English is hard to read.
Is Zaksa Polish government or Polish court to change the rules and set the new standards? I don't think so. It was their mistake and I don't see a reason why now, when the organizers remember about the law and warn all the teams about it, it should be overlooked because Zaksa made a mistake. That's just ridiculous. And I'm very serious, believe me.
Plus I really hope that you're not saying all this because it's Trento that the law concerns most. I would like to believe you would protest so strongly if we discussed some other team here.
I, on the other hand, say that every team has to abide by this law and I would still say that if any Polish team was in a similar situation in another country.
That's it, I said everything I had to say about that. I'm not going to change my opinion.
Congrats to Zenit and Russian fans(mostly,kate really ?) ? Max was simply great today!
Yeah,Kjeldhor,Rafa was completely outplayed by Valerio today...I'll take solace in the thought that this have made my favorite Italian on Earth happy ?
I don't know what you guys mean by Osmany being good or whatever,he looked totally checked out.Bad decision to announce his departure so close to the F4...very bad decision.
To me they lost the match when they let Zenit come back from 14:10 to 16:14 in the 2nd set...so careless...I didn't expect them to act like that - at times it looked like they didn't take it seriously ? Also,not even one ace!!!Seriously?!
Well,such dominance couldn't have gone on forever - I mean it's not good for the sport and all... ?
Trentino really strong team, and they showed it in the 1 set, this set was very difficult both physically and emotional, i suspect Trentiono didn't restored after it as quickly as Zenit did. Very happy for Zenit tomorrow we will have really interesting match between Skra and Zenit. Don't know what to do with Kurek, i love him too much as to be a fan against him ?
Good luck Trentiono in a fight for 3 place .
Oh,can't believe I forgot - Sivo?!?!Who would have thunk it? lol
I've said some pretty bad things about the guy in the past,but he impressed me tonight.Tomorrow we'll see if this was a one time thing or he'll shine just as bright against SKRA ?
@handan - Osmany can't be singled out and blamed for that loss.Too many things went wrong today...
I guess,so much for a perfect season,ha?May be Trento finally couldn't handle the nerves?
If Russian NT players play consistently like that outside Zenit /that was Russian NT, Khtey was replaced, Muserskiy absence wasn't felt/ Russia will dominate for long years outside the ECH
Oh,qwerty,always late to the party...that sponsor talk died awhile ago...
And of course in football and f1 sponspors paid much more money.
That was the whole point - that volleyball needs to lure in sponsors,not push them away and not being able to represent them at such a commercial tournament as F4 is not gonna win you any points with them,right?
Yeah,I think Ferrari can manage without a sponsor or two.As of right now not a lot of volleyball teams can say the same.HOWEVER,I respect the law.I would have said the same thing if Macerata or any other team had qualified for the F4 instead of "poor,hurt Trento".
Kisses
Congratulations to Kazan! Alekno is really a great coach, Vermiglio apart from some innacurate sets was unbelievable, middles were unstoppable and blocked us many times. Wlazly and Kurek made too many mistakes in the important parts and Falasca was just weak/predictable at setting.
Great final! Great play! Great day for Zenit! Skra very powerfull, i'll say that it is on the same level with Zenit, so Zenit was more lucky this everning that Skra was, as the result ----> best in Europe ^_^
@Andrut
Zawodnicy nie mogą poprosić o challange czy było po bloku. Ale jak wypowiadali sie redaktorzy po pomeczowym studio mówili, że sędziowi mieli odprawe przed meczem w sprawie challengu i mogli sędziowie sprawdzić czy było po bloku w sytuacji gdy była piłka setowa albo meczowa.
Congrats to Zenit. From all teams they deserved the most for this victory. They eliminated big Trento after perfect game and today didn't gave up even in the most difficult moments. In the end of tie-break Vermiglio showed why he's called great setter. Skra showed mental weakness in some moments and they made wrong tactic choices. So I don't think Zenit won because of more luck, but because this team was better. And agree with you about MVP for Alekno, he rocks?
Of course it was block's touch in the last action, but Skra had own chances before and now the refs mistakes coudn't be excuse. It was so close, but players should blame only themselves for lost.
Both teams made great show, it was beautiful final.
...Rafa was completely outplayed by Valerio today...I'll take solace in the thought that this have made my favorite Italian on Earth happy
Are you talking about me, dear? ? Anyway, you're spot on !! I'm really happy for Valerio, he deserved a huge reward for the great setter he is (although very underestimated on many occasions).
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And Noliko who got Trentino makes me sad once more...No luck this year! =(
I hate to see two teams from the same country playing against eachother and this time two of the favorite for the final title will be eliminated before reaching the final four thanks to stupid CEV who gaves a free spot to Skra =(
Originally finals should be held in Thessaloniki, but Iraklis was eliminated. Then CEV had a problem, becouse no one wanted the finals.
First CEV ask president of Zaksa Kedzierzyn, but he refused. Then Skra had no choice.
This is sad because no one outside of Poland are interested.
I hoped that it won't happen (not before final4 or play off 6) that two italian team will fight vs each others, and of course it will >.<
But the worst thing is that the winner of this match will fight vs Trento (if they'll win)!!
So, no more than one italian club in the final4, and we have with 3 teams at play off! ?(((
At least if Trento will win we can be sure an italian team will be at final4 no matter what...
And at least they won't travel so far.
(and think that in the Women CL it happened the same!!!!)
By coincidence between the two CL matches, the Italian championship match will be Macerata-Cuneo xD
May be in the championship match they won't use the usual starter...
That one will be tough:
Lube Banca Marche Macerata (Ita) - Bre Banca Lannutti Cuneo (Ita)
lukasso21 You're just reading my mind.
Greetings.
Why Italian teams play with each other? It's absurd like all CEV organization.
When someone asks you to buy his car you just can't refuse it. That would be impolite.
Good one Nagor- Skra is really good at paying volleyball.
Sorry for OT
http://forum.siatka.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&p=186812&sid=322743a5d5631da073b98db9d9d46831#p186812
Nawet kibice skry są już tym znudzeni.
Poza tym shinoda, skoro już tak wymieniasz te drużyny, to powiedz mi kiedy ostatnio zaksa, sovia albo jw organizowało finał ligi mistrzów. Zaskocz mnie, może coś przeoczyłem.
No tak, to jest super obiektywne podejście. Po pierwsze, skąd wiesz co będzie za 50 lat? Może skra już nie będzie istniała, a może nawet miasto bełchatów zniknie z mapy. Po drugie, teraz może jest, ale czy zawsze była najlepsza? Nie.
Jeszcze raz polecam poczytać temacik, który podesłałem. Wypowiadają się tam m.in. kibice skry i (!) podzielają moje zdanie. Bo trzeba rozróżnić kibica polskiej siatkówki, czy skry bełchatów od skrofanów albo nawet kurkofanów.
Głupio było odmówić... haha jakoś inne drużyny nie miały tego problemu.
Overlook, dokładnie, mało tego, na jakimś portalu pojawił się artykuł, gdzie napisano coś takiego: zawodnicy skry, którzy chcą pozostać anonimowi również nie są z tej decyzji zadowoleni.
Niech to zdanie zakończy mój udział w tym 'sporze'.
Czekam na zwycięzcę LM, który zwycięży nie używając portfela.
I will try to see the home match in Noliko =)
But honestly I give only a few chances to the belgians...Ok they didn't lose at home since two years but Trento is definitely the strongest opponent they could play against!
It will be a great match, I can't wait for it =D
For me the two russians and Trento or Macerata will complete the final four. In this case, the level will be extremly high as both these teams and Skra are heavy weights in europe =)
That's why this time it will be impossible having more than one italian team in the final 4 (while it will be possible to have 2 russian or 2 polish clubs), and that it's a bit sad considering that we managed to reach the play off with all the three teams ? (and the same in the female, even if the male teams did better)
I mean, it will be "painful" to me watching italian clubs eliminating each others... But if I have to choice I'm for Macerata.
Skra po play-offach się nie tuła,
FF ktoś organizować musi,
nie będziemy przecież grać na Rusi,
Zenit niech sobie pomarzy,
potęgi Skry już nie podważy.
Ale zanim ustawicie gilotynę,
poznajcie tej decyzji przyczynę,
Wszak Piechocki nie chciał się pchać,
to Przedpełski finał kazał brać,
co będzie chłopak wydziwiać,
nie wypada szefowi się sprzeciwiać!
Skra ratować CEV po prostu musiała,
bo Grecja taki los federacji zgotowała.
Lecz kto mądry daje FF bankrutowi?
Włos się jeży nawet ignoranckiemu Czechowi,
Grecki Iraklis przysługę Skrze zrobił,
o awans za bardzo się nie głowił.
Bełchatów ma więc fajną wymówkę,
organizator odpadł? my zrobimy tę "domówkę"!
Piknik w Bełchatowie już uszykowany,
sklep kibica trąbkami naszpikowany,
leć! nie zwlekaj! idź wydaj stówkę!
w podzięce dostaniesz miodową krówkę!
źródło: blokaut.net
And I'm still uspet thinking that 6 italian clubs qualificated to CL play off and not more than 2 have a chance to be in the final4.
I hope it won't affect our CEV male ranking, considering that Modena "lost" at 1/32 of Challenge Cup.
And I'm still uspet thinking that 6 italian clubs qualificated to CL play off and not more than 2 have a chance to be in the final4.
I hope it won't affect our CEV male ranking, considering that Modena "lost" at 1/32 of Challenge Cup.
co do Twojego temaciku i tlumaczenia ze nawet kibice skry sa znudzeni - to nie jest zaden argument zeby jechac po skrze.
poza tym czytaj ze zrozumieniem. nie chodzi mi o to ze zaksa,resovia, jw nie dostaly f4. chodzi o to ze zadna z tych druzyn nigdy nie byla i nie bedzie w takim ogniu krytyki jak skra. chocby nie wiem co sie stalo, to zawsze skra bedzie zla. nie wiem skad w was taka nienawisc do belchatowa. jestem kibicem skry, ale mimo to jak graja polskie druzyny w pucharach to im kibicuje,a to co sie dzieje np w czacie pod transmisjami skry jest po prostu nie do wyobrazenia.
Pools for the European Olympic qualification tournament:
A: Bulgaria; Serbia; Spain; Slovenia
B: Germany; Italy; Finland; Slovakia
The draw was made with 4 stabilited couples that should have been sorted in different pools:
Bulgaria-Germany
Serbia-Italy
Finland-Spain
Slovenia-Slovakia (that were obligated, they couldn't be in the same pool of the team they met in the final of the prequalification tournament)
The first of poolA will play the semifinal vs the first of pool B and viceversa.
I forgot France wasn't there O.o
Całość artykułu http://www.belsport.pl/komentarze/2318-ubolewanie-nad-kupionym-awansem
Dziękuję do widzenia.
A może autor tych wypocin,dyrdymałow i steku oszczerstw tak po prostu po ludzku by się ujawnił !!! Bo nie wielu ludzi i kibiców wie kim jest ten pan ? Anonimowo pisać potrafi każdy - tylko nie każdy piszący potrafi spojrzeć kibicom w oczy.Sądzę że ten pan nie bywa nigdy na meczach Skry i już nigdy nie będzie na meczu w Bełchatowie.Nie chcę pisać czy ze strachu przed kibicami czy też ciężko było by spojrzeć ludziom w oczy !!! Szanujący się redaktor i piszący obiektywnie nigdy takiego artykułu nie napisałby.Wstyd że mamy takich prowincjonalnych "pismaków"
taki artykul moze napisac kazdy. czy to jakas osoba zwiazana z klubem , z zawodnikami ? zapewne nie . rownie dobrze ja taki sam artykul moge napisac o zaksie, ze np. zagumny psuje atmosfere w szatni. i tez tak od razu uwierzysz we wszystko co jest napisane ? spowzaniej bo chwytasz sie wszystkiego byle by tylko skra oberwala .
Tutaj są słowa wypowiedziane przez prezesa Skry przed czwartkowym losowaniem.
Mówiąc, że Skra kupiła poraz kolejny F4 to idiotyzm i wszyscy anty-fani Skry sami nie wierzą w to iż nie awansowała by bez organizacji tego turnieju. Przypomina mi się sytuacja gdy Skra w poprzednim sezonie pokonała Trento 3:0, wygrała z Kazaniem 3:0 ale niestety przegrała złotego seta. Wtedy wszyscy przeciwnicy Bełchatowskiego klubu milkneli i udawali jakby tej sytuacji nie było. Nie wiem czemu zamiast cieszyć się, że w Polsce poraz kolejny będzie organizowany taki turniej, nasza montalność na to nie pozwala. Marketing też jest częścią sportu i dla przypomnienia powiem, że to działacze CEV chcieli orgaznizować Final Four w Łodzi a nie działacze Skry.
That is short version this conflict.
"It is great honor for Poland to host final once again. Polish people will see the best volleyball players and this is reason to be satisfied and happy."
And I think exactly the same.. that's why I don't understand why you argue so much.. be happy! I want Theese teams in Bulgaria but it will never be.. take your chance to watch great volleyball!
Zdaję sobie pytanie czy SKRA to marka międzynarodowa, hm..może tak może nie, ale daje bardziej dzowni we Włoszech i Rosji, niż w naszym kraju. Ażeby sytuacja się zmieniła SKRA musi coś teraz ugrać w tegoroczynm F4 takie jest moje osobiste zdanie.
Pozdrawiam ?
http://www.volleyball.it/notizie.asp?s=118&n=40350&l=0
I can't believe they assigned the final4 without even knowing if the Arena was free!!
btw, kapitan-bomba, may be Skra players prefer the Mosir, but probably the people that will buy the "last" 4000 tickets don't agree ?
with singing this bullshit movies from this site will be deleted ?
yes, i think that movies using songs protected by copyrights will be deleted (about 80% of all movies), and all movies using video protected by copyrights will be deleted too (99%) videos.
There will be only section 'Me playing volleyball' and several movies like aargoTV.
Epic fail...
Last year I loved Cuneo, but this year with the guys from the NT I can't avoid be fan of Macerata ? (and honestly Cuneo wasn't funny to watchas it used o be the last season, but today was)
But today I'm so disappointet by Macerata that I saw this match more like "Macerata lost" than "Cuneo won"
BTW, if it will be Trento-Cuneo I'll support Cuneo, even if I think Trento would have a better chance in the finl4 than Cuneo (and also than Macerata)
Djuric will miss the next two matches, there are no fractures.
http://www.trentinovolley.it/news/notizie/9539-squadra-di-nuovo-al-lavoro-per-djuric-inizia-il-programma-riabilitativo.html
"Italian job" or "Bulgarian job" only refers to comments posted in our native languages....you should know that ?
If vuio you can lean to the forum of Trentinovolley, later also by fans of other teams
is open to everyone to discuss volley.
let you decide who is morei old me
in this forum.
I honeslty won't open a thread like the one pearl suggest in Trentino forum, I know it is open to evryone but it would be inappropiate to comment about Macerata/italian players in Macerata there...
The matches will be Lube vs Trento, Zenit vs Vfb, Arkas vs Novosibirsk.
BTW, the one between Cuneo and Macerata was a thrilling battle!
this year seems i've to see a lot of Trento-Macerata ?
It does not claim nothing ,yesterday was not good for the team as a whole, when there is we must be honest to admit it.
BTW, great new, I read that they'll use The "challenge system" (is it the right name) for the final4! Each team can ask twice a set to check with the tv the decision of the referees, and if they'll be right they still keep the 2 opportunities.
Now I'm really glad they choose Poland ?
And, I realized it now, also because Polsat rocks and it is always a pleasure to enjoy the slow motion ?
After so many rules questionable a right choice.
In last ff of women’s polish cup was challenge system (in league it’s not use) and players didn’t ask for it often, I think because they weren’t used to. And there was situation that one team wanted check net’s touch. Challenge showed that there wasn’t net but also showed other mistake. Referee saw it but must give point to the team, which made mistake. So it wasn’t fair but in accord with rules.
But maybe my faith in referee is to small and my predictions’re baseless. I hope it’s like that?
marchst, I’m surprised that too:-)
Who can ask the challenge? Only the captain , the coach or any player?
@Overllok as,ask both in the same action? I cannot understand why you should call the team to which has been given point.
If there are any movies with full PLusliga games from this season on vball-movies (haven't checked that as I watch them somewhere else), I think there is a good chance you can see the challenge system being used.
BTW, is there the chance that for the f4 there will be more than 5 sec, considering it will be the first time at least for 2 team?
Mikasa first influence - I guess - is on reception, and Trento is more used to play with a worst reception than Macerata, probably... And may be the second think Mikasa influences is the serve, and Macerata is the one that usually commette more serve errors... What do you think about Mikasa and about the influence it can have on a match?
BTW, imo the Molten is waaay better than Mikasa!
http://www.cev.lu/Competition-Area/Statistics.aspx?ID=548
Big mistake thinking that Trento is only server
About Statistics, Trentino didn't play at their max in Champions League except vs Kozle
Does not change my speech.
The match will be fought ,it will be another battle.
But it's also true that vs a team like Macerata the difference can be made, in effect, with a serve run.
I mean, Macerata has the skill to limitate Trento strenght (or to use its vs Trento, e.g. the serve), so in this case it can actually be a good serve run that makes the difference! (and in effect it happened!)
Considering that Juantorena is the best server of the league and imo also of the world, right now, he is the main "alarm", but we saw that also Brugshtaler was important, like in the match of the italian championship Stokr was, or like Savani was for Macerata during the first set.
Probably Macerata stressed to much this point (stopping Juantorena's serve run), at least in their minds, so as soon they failed in it they got nervous...
Wonderful payback ?
BTW, in this period Macerata shows they can be truly focused only for 2 sets and half in a match.
Well, at least this time they were able to focus on the right sets ?
BTW, of course I know that it isn't end AT ALL, I didn't think "ok, now they'll be in the final4 for sure" not even for a second, but I'm absolutly glad for the victory itself and for how it developed ?
I wish such a match next game again.. And the better should win!
Congrats for Lube!
Also Monopoli replaced Travica well, with good personality!
But I guess that my MVP is Podrascanin, even if I loved Savani and Igor determination.
i'm afraid it's not! "Una rondine non fa primavera/a swallow doesn't make a spring" (have no idea whether this italian idiom makes any sense translated into english this way).
But yes, I'm "a bit" partial ?
about Lube attack--> Grazie a Monopoli la Lube passa dal 30% del 1° set, al 48% del 2° per poi arrivare al 59% (3° set), 62% (4° set) e addirittura 69% (5° set). Da rimarcare sono anche le prestazioni di Savani (70% in attacco, 1 muro e 4 ace), Stankovic (64% in attacco e 3 muri) e Podrascanin (77% in attacco, 3 muri). In casa trentina i migliori sono il solito Juantorena (62% in attacco e 4 ace) ed un ritrovato Kaziyski (61% in attacco, 2 ace).
Pity for us, congratulations to Macerata, Thursday will be a war
.
we hope to see a great show and win the strongest
Will Be happy Meyer and all the CEV had excluded Trento from F4,i Thursday aspect, however.
And I think his a huge mistake to think that they're ended ?
Trento is tired and wound ,but still alive.
just like Macerata doesn't.
cev.lu
Are all of you gonna keep saying this now? Okay he needs rest, so as Savani for example. Played as many matches or even more, because:
a) he got to final round of ECh
b) he played at WC in Japan
and before some freak will try to reply for these points don't compare friendly matches in Italy to 11 matches of WC in Japan. Even those I think two matches in Serie A when Kovar played instead of him, still Savani played more.
And Savani is older. So as you see there are a lot of players who need break. Okay we all know Rado is makes him play every match and that's sucks. But how many times we gonna say that?
In fact Birarelli didn't play ? I was on court only for a serve run and to raise (is it the correct word?) the block once or twice.
What I meant was that with Bira probably Trento will be able to do a better job in block.
@champion: you where honest and said that you would like Stoytchev to think about Bulgaria squad destiny, and you also admit that it was quite selfish, an thanks for the sincerity...
But let me say... WHAT? This is being professional for you?! Putting Bulgaria interests upon Trento while he is training Trento???!!! Now Stoytchev MUST think in Trento prospective, not in Bulgaria prospective!!! Right now he have to forget he is Bulgaria coach!
That's why I agree on the fact that coaches shouldn't train at the same time a NT team and a club: because imo it's impossiblr to focus 100% on both, even if you are the most committed coach in the world, because there will be moments when you have to stay with the club and let the NT with someone else or viceversa (e.g.: Stoytchev came later to Bulgaria because Trento reach the V-day; Stoytchev came later to Trento because Bulgaria was playing the ECh); and because you can risk to put one team's needs upon the other team, and that cant' be considered a good way to work (but I don't think Stoytchev is doing that)
The Trentinovolley played 5 games in the world championship for club and 1 in Supercup,Macerata no.
There are many players tired at this point in the season,in some is more evident.
what stats you talk about? Stats from this match? I have seen them, so yes, they are there.
It's not exactly like that. At this level if someone is coach in the club and NT must think about both. He can't say "okay screw NT right now, you play everything" and then be surprised Matey is crawling on court. Also he needs to think about guys who plays in the other clubs, keep in touch with their coaches etc etc. Of course he has some guys for him to care about this, but that's how it looks right now. And it's not always perfect, but there need to be cooperation between clubs, otherwise players will be in trouble.
Besides come on, is Matey so necessary on court right now? Before Raylight will come and throw stats in my face (BTW do you know that most titled team in this decade - Brazil - doesn't care that much about stats like Italians/Bulgarians/Russians/Poles? And look when this tactic took them ?), even he must admit that Matey is not shining bomber right now and he calmly can spend some matches on a bench to get some rest, while Della Lunga will beat Ravenna for example. I'm not saying give him a rest against Macerata (but seeing his performance on Sunday I would say why not), but weaker teams yes. Osmany and Stokr can handle that, while Dore will just help in reception.
Michal I get your point, but as you said there many players who carried much more. And for example in Brazil they play twice a week + they have to traveling long distances. Do you think anyone there complain or fans crying because of those poor guys? No. If they cry it's now only about Giba, because there is a risk he may not be able to play Olympics.
okay 5 matches of club champs, 1 of supercup. Still 6 < 11, got it, dude?
really? ? so why you started? But I should get use to that in this vball world some topics will never end (even we have said everything, there is nothing new to add, but we will still discuss some points).
Short, quick list of TOP6 never ending stories:
- Kaziyski and taking rest
- Kaziyski and being god
- Bulgaria and being top class team
- Bulgaria against rest of the world or Bulgaria as a victim of cheaters
- Rado and being bad/good coach
- Simon and being the best
Then some topics which are mentioned here, but they are not such popular like on webforums of countries they are about.
Poland:
- Wlazly and NT
Brazil:
- Ricardo vs. Bruno
Russia:
- Russia and mentality
Italy:
- Italy and behaviour on court
Forgive me if I missed any point. I don't have anything in my mind about the rest.
Of course it is inevitable, that's why I wrote that I disagree with being coaches of NT and club. Because it's impossible to avoid thinking about both teams, but that should be the most professional things to do, imo.
Fo example I honestly apreciate what Berruto is doing: beside the fact that he has a lot of time to watch - also live - the matches with his guys (and his opponents ?, he also spends time with the younger (1996-95 ish), travelling all around Italy and joining the Regional Day of each region to watch their best seletion and to program how to develop our volleyball.
BTW, Zyta, in the last match vs Macerata Matey played quite well ?
If Matey Kaziyski is the God of volleyball, Zyta is an atheist, screaming "I don't believe in you" in his face, wearing copper armour in the middle of great lightning storm ?
did I say he does not deserve to have some rest? No. He does. And I feel sorry for him. I really do. But talking all the time only about him taking rest like no one other need it too is just making him such a poorly victim. And boring.
just like mentioned Savani doesn't care such points. No, no one basically. Only Matey cares about these actions and points. In every existed team maybe, huh?
hahahaha. I will try do my best.
this is what I'm talking about. I'm saying during this season - WHOLE SEASON - he is shining like before. And you must admit that (I'm not talking to you Ray). And then someone is talking about ONE MATCH. I don't care. He played better, okay, sometimes he will. But three days earlier he played terrible. Which shows he has ups and downs, while in the past he was quite stable at this point.
PS. We becoming masters of TOP6 topics. Discussing two of them in one conversation, hell yeah.
Hahahahahhahahahaha
Ja, ja and saved this ground from scarcity. Got it.
As far as I know, from watching vball, players play and winning, not traditions.
HCLT is right. You are totally desperate. You have no answer for my arguments, so you brought me shortcut of Trento's history, which is not the point right now, as we don't talk about Matey being special (gotta add this to my list and change it to TOP7). Moving, totally.
you've got to be kidding me right now. Zaytsev when it comes to choose most loaded player in the team during the match has no opponents at this point. He passes most of the balls and spike most of the balls and there is nothing to compare, because as you said Matey has some support right now. Besides I did not say he is in bad form because he doesn't score 30 points per match. But again we coming back to how you see this sport and I don't want to discuss this point.
I had nothing against team Bulgaria,Kaziyski or Trentino before an army of moaning bulgarians appeared on this website.
they're so annoying that now every time when i read here the words "matey" or "bulgaria" i can't but try to restrain a vomitting reflex, and i bet i'm not the only one.
bulgarians, i don't know what your aim is, but do you realize you do nothing but get everyone around here against bulgaria?
PLEASE stop...volleyball-movies needs a rest from your moanings as much as Matey Kaziyski needs rest from court
cheers
Something else to say: I am tired of listening moaning about our moaning about Bulgaria and Matey. We are free to speak whatever we want if we don't break the rules and the man or woman that can stop me talking hasn't been born yet. Hate me or love me, watch me while I roll ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtwJvgPJ9xw
i know that any my respond to you with cytating and stuff will be a waste of my time, so i won't care about it.
and besides, i am way too well bred to tell you what you are.
instead, i strongly recommend you to hire a psychoanalyst, very experienced and expensive one, to deal with your self-steem problems, which, as far as i can see, are very serious (evidentially, go from your childhood).
if a good specialist won't help you, you're desperate
Zyta, outside of this forum I have a real life with real people who take me seriously enough. Why should I want anything here? I am number one in this site, this is the most serious you can get.
P.S. Only stupid people say that the words of other people are crap if they don't agree with them. You can't be smart and lack manners, because if you never doubt in yourself you can't be smart. The question is why do you want to be perceived as stupid?
since when anyone should be grateful? Maybe she should send you flowers as well?
Congratulations dude! You’ve maybe reached the lowest point of your turbulent and desperate career on v-movies. Calling me stupid makes you feel better? I hope so because you seem to have this urge of battling against everyone. You and your quotes out of place, your “friends” found by convenience as they get rejected as you are, your crazy attempts to impress with a knowledge you lacks… Keep calling me stupid, it’ll make a huge difference in my life and in my participation here.
So you’re number one on v-movies? Wow! Do you wanna a medal? Another flowers? Maybe you want your nickname in green, as you already complained about that, which is pathetic actually? Please, give us some break from your whining and behave like a man, starting by treating girls decently. Neither Kate nor I have given you a reason to be so rude.
You said you have a life outside here… I don’t give a damn too, but it’s hard to believe now when you brought the subject. I remember last Christmas, when you were posting like a freak, but said at some point you had just finished watching a movie with your family. Ray, you had been posting something every five minutes, some of those posts were really long ones. It’s hard to believe you exist outside here, but I don't care anyway, just saying this once you mentioned that while talking to me.
You can stop using YouTube videos to mock those who oppose to you. We all know you’re just copying once again a guy you really want to be, but he’s so much smarter than you.
Peace & love.
Do You Think that your disputes involving to someone?
I would like, perhaps it is time to stop or have them from another part.
Here are all exaggerated.
Friedrichshafen vs. Kazan, that's an easy guess. With Venno (and even more important Böhme as middle) there would've been a slight chance for the Germans due to that stupid golden set rule. During the pool stage they defeated Kazan. The Russians suffer from Volkov's absence, young Gutsalyuk can't close this gap. Regarding Friedrichshafen's current situation, playing without both opposites and putting a starter from the middle position on the opposite instead, makes the whole thing an impossible mission.
Izmir vs. Novosibirsk, a little bit more difficult. There's no doubt about the Russians being stronger, individually and as a team. But since the golden set rule gives the hometeam such a huge advantage, Izmir still has a chance. They won all matches at home so far, which should give them some confidence, even though they didn't host any topteam. Agamez and Joao Bravo having a good day will be essential.
Novosibirsk already played in Turkey during the pool stage, crushing Fenerbace 3-0. They are a good example for the new russian mentality. A very good setter along with fast wingspikers and Sanchez as opposite are hard to beat for every team left in the competition. If they manage to advance to the F4, which they should, they really can make a run and cause a surprise.
Trentino vs. Macerata, the top match. The recent matches between those teams gave a good impression what's gonna happen: If Macerata is able to put on pressure with their serves, what they will definitely try, and don't start to choke as seen during the italian cup, they can win the match. In this case it will be for Juantorena and Stokr to keep Trentino in the match. If Macerata doesn't play on their limit, we will see a blowout.
In case of a golden set, it's hard to make a prediction. Both team proved to be able to win a tiebreak. Still, I would bet on Trentino in this case.
Arkas was a big surprise to me, congratulation!
The fact that Trento won can't actually be a surprise, but I honestly thought that Macerata had a really consistent chance to get the final4... Unofrtunally it seems they wasted it ?
But I'm really glad that there will be again an italian team to cheer for, and I'm ready to support the impressive and huge Trento in this (not really new ?) adventure!
After all, only the first playoff6 match was like I expected...
The drawing of lots and everything was a farce.
After a final advance Macerata ,another with the Kazan.
Whoever wins will be a walk in the final.
Trentino - Kazan
&
Izmir - Belchatow
a draw ? ? ? ? ? ahahahahahaha amazing, really amazing
- best team in Italy at the moment
- best team in Russia at the moment
- Skra
- cinderella with coach Hoag
http://www.trentinovolley.it/news/notizie/9778-trentino-volley-in-polonia-senza-il-logo-planetwin365-sulle-maglie.html
I personally don't like that law and I think it's stupid. But I also don't understand why some team should be excluded from it. I imagine that when foreigners come to your country, you expect them to abide by your country's law? I do because I respect other countries' laws whenever I visit them, even if I think they're weird or useless.
You don't have other meshes ?games with those from your workout.
Do not share the fact that today no ,a month ago yes!
Is Zaksa Polish government or Polish court to change the rules and set the new standards? I don't think so. It was their mistake and I don't see a reason why now, when the organizers remember about the law and warn all the teams about it, it should be overlooked because Zaksa made a mistake. That's just ridiculous. And I'm very serious, believe me.
Plus I really hope that you're not saying all this because it's Trento that the law concerns most. I would like to believe you would protest so strongly if we discussed some other team here.
I, on the other hand, say that every team has to abide by this law and I would still say that if any Polish team was in a similar situation in another country.
That's it, I said everything I had to say about that. I'm not going to change my opinion.
It seems strange to me this. As strange and blame Zaska.
17.02.2012 14:00 Trentino Volley - Zenit Kazan 3-2
18.03.2012 14:30 3rd place match Arkas - Zenit 0-3
18.03.2012 17:30 Final Skra Trentino 3-2
This is how i think it would be ?
Yeah,Kjeldhor,Rafa was completely outplayed by Valerio today...I'll take solace in the thought that this have made my favorite Italian on Earth happy ?
I don't know what you guys mean by Osmany being good or whatever,he looked totally checked out.Bad decision to announce his departure so close to the F4...very bad decision.
To me they lost the match when they let Zenit come back from 14:10 to 16:14 in the 2nd set...so careless...I didn't expect them to act like that - at times it looked like they didn't take it seriously ? Also,not even one ace!!!Seriously?!
Well,such dominance couldn't have gone on forever - I mean it's not good for the sport and all... ?
I except only the MB,the whole team has played badly.
The questone Osmany was to avoid.
For Trent and a period ugly,we hope ends soon.
Good luck Trentiono in a fight for 3 place .
I've said some pretty bad things about the guy in the past,but he impressed me tonight.Tomorrow we'll see if this was a one time thing or he'll shine just as bright against SKRA ?
@handan - Osmany can't be singled out and blamed for that loss.Too many things went wrong today...
I guess,so much for a perfect season,ha?May be Trento finally couldn't handle the nerves?
That was the whole point - that volleyball needs to lure in sponsors,not push them away and not being able to represent them at such a commercial tournament as F4 is not gonna win you any points with them,right?
Yeah,I think Ferrari can manage without a sponsor or two.As of right now not a lot of volleyball teams can say the same.HOWEVER,I respect the law.I would have said the same thing if Macerata or any other team had qualified for the F4 instead of "poor,hurt Trento".
Kisses
EDIT: Chrison, you are right, last action can be checked
Zawodnicy nie mogą poprosić o challange czy było po bloku. Ale jak wypowiadali sie redaktorzy po pomeczowym studio mówili, że sędziowi mieli odprawe przed meczem w sprawie challengu i mogli sędziowie sprawdzić czy było po bloku w sytuacji gdy była piłka setowa albo meczowa.
Of course it was block's touch in the last action, but Skra had own chances before and now the refs mistakes coudn't be excuse. It was so close, but players should blame only themselves for lost.
Both teams made great show, it was beautiful final.
Are you talking about me, dear? ? Anyway, you're spot on !! I'm really happy for Valerio, he deserved a huge reward for the great setter he is (although very underestimated on many occasions).
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